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I walked three different Caminos during my trip this year. I started with the Madrid which was new to me, re-did part of the Frances where I had some unfinished business and then ended with the Portuguese from Tui.The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other.
I think it depends on the two. In this case, I would probably do the short one first. Similarly, if the two are the San Salvador and the Primitivo, I would also definitely do the short one first. But if the two are the Frances and the Finisterre, I would do the Frances first.Walked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
Hola @DwainS Firstly, your desire to re-connect with “the Camino” is not unusual and there are aspects of all Caminos that pilgrims want to experience again.
So are you thinking about walking “All” the Frances or say just the last 500 km (maybe Start in Burgos). In either case I support walking the longer Camino first.
As for the Porto there are good connections from Santiago to either Oporto if are walking the last 230km.
So it’s your decision, a very special Buen Camino ! Chers.
I think i'am going to start from Pamplona this time. There was a festival there this year and the streets were super crowded so didn't really get the connection with the city. It was fun but most restaurants and bars were packed and just a little bit too busy for me to really enjoy. So I feel it will be like a fresh start for me to begin there. I was a chef so everyday at work I try to keep everything super organized. I think on my my first camino I was trying to keep everyday too organized and not be just more relaxed and enjoy all that was around me. Don't get me wrong it was great or I wound't be walking it again but I think being more relaxed this time will let me absorb more of the Camino vibe. Also I was nervous going solo but won't be this time.Hola @DwainS Firstly, your desire to re-connect with “the Camino” is not unusual and there are aspects of all Caminos that pilgrims want to experience again.
So are you thinking about walking “All” the Frances or say just the last 500 km (maybe Start in Burgos). In either case I support walking the longer Camino first.
As for the Porto there are good connections from Santiago to either Oporto if are walking the last 230km.
So it’s your decision, a very special Buen Camino ! Chers.
The Madrid Camino sounds interesting. I'am flying into Madrid regardless of were I start and which Camino. Only spent one afternoon and evening there and really enjoyed it. Especially staying downtown, thanks to the forum members that recommended to do that before my flight out the next day. Yes, and I will try not to expect and relive the experiences I had on my first camino but try to make new ones. Comparisons are hard not to make.I walked three different Caminos during my trip this year. I started with the Madrid which was new to me, re-did part of the Frances where I had some unfinished business and then ended with the Portuguese from Tui.
In my case I enjoyed the Madrid the most because of my many kind interactions with local Spanish people and because of the challenges of the Madrid. I especially liked the challenges represented by the solitary nature of the Madrid.
Next, I enjoyed chasing away the ghosts of my 2019 Camino Frances where I became seriously ill after Sahagún and as a result struggled from there to O Cebrerio where I collapsed and was taken to hospital.
Much of that portion of the Frances was a blur in my memory and I enjoyed seeing it again with fresher eyes. I also marvelled at my stubbornness in 2019 to keep putting one foot in front of the other and keep going and contrasted that with my fitness at the same points this year when in three days I easily walked the same distance that had taken me seven days of struggle in 2019.
After these two experiences, walking the Portuguese became somewhat mechanical and while parts of it were nice, overall I was underwhelmed.
I suspect that many people will jump in on this last paragraph and extoll the virtues of the Portuguese and I am certainly not arguing with them on that but rather I am saying that in my case this series of Caminos had the Portuguese not be particularly interesting or significant for me.
From this I would offer you two pieces of advice.
Firstly when you rewalk the Frances don't try to relive the best parts of your previous pilgrimage. Throw those expectations away and try to walk it anew.
On every occasion when I purposely revisited a place where I had had a great experience in 2019 I was disappointed this year. On the other hand I had some of my most memorable days in places that simply didn't even register last time around.
Second piece of advice, perhaps walk the Portuguese first so that you are forced to treat it as a completely new experience then tackle the Frances with your fresh eyes. Perhaps consider starting at a different point to really reinforce that this Camino Frances will be completely different from your last one.
Of course, what you eventually choose to do will be the perfect choice for you and neither I nor anyone else can make those choices for you.
Buen Camino!
Do yourself a favor, if you are thinking of doing again, do it!!! I had Covid stop me, time flew by, and now I’m here but it is so much more to grasp!!! I’m going to have to redo againWalked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
I got lost trying to do camino Madrid in 2018…. Not marked well enough thenThe Madrid Camino sounds interesting. I'am flying into Madrid regardless of were I start and which Camino. Only spent one afternoon and evening there and really enjoyed it. Especially staying downtown, thanks to the forum members that recommended to do that before my flight out the next day. Yes, and I will try not to expect and relive the experiences I had on my first camino but try to make new ones. Comparisons are hard not to make.
Some people do that, but I did not meet that many of them.If you want to end both caminos in Santiago
Having now walked five camino’s - and travelling different routes each time - the experience is an addictive one. In fact we have arrived home after 11 long hot weeks doing the Gebennensis and Le Puy (then tacking on a holiday)…vowing that the ‘next trip’ has to get us off our feet and riding a bike. Well, wouldn’t you know it, last night I bought the guide for the Alpe-Adria Trail. Perhaps the feet won’t get a break after all.Walked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
Sounds like my same schedule! Hard to go home, just want to stay and keep doing CaminosWe just walked the Portuguese Camino from Porto to Santiago. We are currently on a two week break in Spain and heading to St. Jean to walk a Camino Frances. It is addictive
It’s your Camino-do as you like and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise!
Why not start at the original starting place for the CF, namely Le Puy in France. It is a wonderful Camino. Around 1560km in total.Walked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
What a great idea. I walked the Camino Frances May/June of ‘22. As long as my wonky knee heals in time I’m hoping to do the Camino Frances again for similar reasons-. I want to absorb more and even stay over at different towns for rest days. O’ Cebriero is one place I’d love to stay at overnight.Walked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
I definitely want to include the Muxia/Fisterra as part of one of my options as I did not walk there on my first Camino. I was thinking of adding that on to my Portuguese Camino. I seem to be in more of a dilemma because of all the different responses and has me thinking of these different routes that I could do. That's what I like about this forum though. Gives me options that I had not thought of.I have done this a couple of times. Two short caminos a few years ago walking the CI then to Muxia and Fisterra. Then last year the Caminho do Tejo then CP from Tomar, ie a short camino followed by a much longer one. These pairs fairly naturally fall into sequence. Doing them the other way around would have been more involved, and not something I think I really contemplated.
So I think discussing this in the abstract is less helpful than having a clear idea about which parts of the French and Portuguese routes you would walk, and whether both would end in Santiago, or would one end in some other significant pilgrimage destination. For example, one could do a shorter distance on the CF and then walk to Fatima.
It seems natural to add Muxia/Fisterra to the end of another camino, but it is clearly possible to walk Fisterra/Muxia and then to Santiago as the first camino, then get to a start point on any of the routes through Spain and Portugal and walk to Santiago from there.
On whether to use a short camino as preparation for the longer camino, I personally want to be prepared for the whole set of pilgrimages before I start. I suppose it is an option, just not one that I would take.
Yes, I want to stay at O' Cebriero also as I stayed at Laguna de Castilla last time. Although only one or two building in Laguna it was a great stay.What a great idea. I walked the Camino Frances May/June of ‘22. As long as my wonky knee heals in time I’m hoping to do the Camino Frances again for similar reasons-. I want to absorb more and even stay over at different towns for rest days. O’ Cebriero is one place I’d love to stay at overnight.
Your idea of doing the Camino Portuguese is intriguing and one I will consider for myself. Personally I’d do the Frances first and the Portuguese second. I’m turning 72 next July but age is just a number, right??
You know, I've watched a few YouTube videos on the Le Puy route and it looks fantastic. I would love to do this camino. The one thing i'am worried about is the language barrier. Most of them say English is rarely spoken on the Le Puy route. That being said this was not one of the options I had considered but maybe between now and next May and can overcome that fear and maybe walk this route. If I wasn't walking solo I would be more inclined to do it also.Why not start at the original starting place for the CF, namely Le Puy in France. It is a wonderful Camino. Around 1560km in total.
It’s a curiosity that the conventional CF is 95% in Spain whereas it truly has its name from the Bishop of Le Puy leading the first pilgrimage
Happy Mark
Yes, ideally I would like to stay over there for the whole 90 days and walk as many as I could. Just turned 65 so I feel I have to do as many as I can well I still have my health. Had cancer a few years back and still go for check ups, actually have one next April as I want to leave next May. Same as last May, had a check up 3 days before my flight to Madrid. I was so happy when she gave me the green light to go. Don't want to have the attitude that I will always have a later date to walk. Feel good now so time to walk.For me long one first. More flexibility.
It gives you more options at the end.
To do the short one or not, do 2 short ones...
I was hoping to do 4 in one go this year, but ran out of time.
Did Longish, Shortish, Short.
VdlP, Invierno, Fisterra/Muxia
you said you walked the camino last May! I am planning to walk the same route next May. I would really appreciate some advice! what time of May did you start and what was the weather and conditions on the first few daysWalked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
Hello batty. To start with, I originally wan't to walk the Frances in September as my birthday was in September so I thought what a great birthday gift to myself. What changed my mind was a forum member mentioned on here one day to consider what time of day it gets dark, later in May and June and gets dark earlier in September. That never crossed my mind before. It was lovely sitting outside at 9 PM having drinks and snacks and it was still daylight out. It was warm May 17 when I arrived in SJPP. May 18 it was cloudy but not rainy or cold at the start. Half way up the mountain the wind was a little chilly. Next 3 days was cloudy but no rain and was not cold. Then after that the days were mixed with sun and clouds. Great for walking. Plan to walk the same time next year. Was absolutely beautiful sunny weather in Fisterra when I arrived there June 22.you said you walked the camino last May! I am planning to walk the same route next May. I would really appreciate some advice! what time of May did you start and what was the weather and conditions on the first few days
I'd count that as one Camino -- the Aragonés and the Invierno are really just variant routes of the Francès, and back in the 90s, what we now call the Aragonés was treated as a branch of the Francès.How about 3 Caminos: the Aragones, Frances and Invierno?
Statistically, that would be Paris, via Chartres/Orléans > Bordeaux > Bayonne > Irun, then Vasco Interior to Burgos, etc.Why not start at the original starting place for the CF
No, it takes its name from the many French or "French" who created French-speaking settlements along the Francès. All fully integrated now of course, many Centuries later, so they speak Spanish plus whichever regional language instead.It’s a curiosity that the conventional CF is 95% in Spain whereas it truly has its name from the Bishop of Le Puy leading the first pilgrimage
Hi,Walked my first camino this year, May-June which was the Frances. During my first week of waking I was enjoying it but wondered why people walked it more than once. Well two weeks after I got home all I could think about was walking another Camino. I was torn between walking the Portuguese route next but also wanted to walk the Frances again because I don't think I truly absorbed all that the Frances had to offer. The days flew by while walking and now I can barley remember certain stages that I walked so I want to do it one more time. Air fare is quite expensive from western Canada so i'am thinking about walking the Portuguese and Frances, one right after the other on the same trip. Turned 65 on September 1st so i'am retired now so time is not a problem as it was on my first Camino. The question I have is do many people do this and if so is there any sort of advantage of doing one before the other. Long one first or short one first? The two thoughts I had was, do short one first to get body ready or do long one first so you just have a short one at the end. Its a dilemma, but a happy one because I know i'am going back.
Hi Liz and Ken here, we are walking two Caminos back to back we are starting in SJPdP on 10th April and will allow 60 days then a week of to travel to Le Puy to walk to SJPdP again allowing 60 days. Its a long way from New Zealand upto 32hours so spend a few days to get over the jet lag. I will turn 80 between the two walks. Buen Camino everybodyWhy not start at the original starting place for the CF, namely Le Puy in France. It is a wonderful Camino. Around 1560km in total.
It’s a curiosity that the conventional CF is 95% in Spain whereas it truly has its name from the Bishop of Le Puy leading the first pilgrimage
Happy Mark
Do you have a passport that allows you that much time in the Schengen zone?Hi Liz and Ken here, we are walking two Caminos back to back we are starting in SJPdP on 10th April and will allow 60 days then a week of to travel to Le Puy to walk to SJPdP again allowing 60 days. Its a long way from New Zealand upto 32hours so spend a few days to get over the jet lag. I will turn 80 between the two walks. Buen Camino everybody
I am curious why you chose to walk SJPdP-SdC and then immediately Le Puy-SJPdP instead of just Le Puy-SdC?Hi Liz and Ken here, we are walking two Caminos back to back we are starting in SJPdP on 10th April and will allow 60 days then a week of to travel to Le Puy to walk to SJPdP again allowing 60 days. Its a long way from New Zealand upto 32hours so spend a few days to get over the jet lag. I will turn 80 between the two walks. Buen Camino everybody
We walked the El Camino SJPdP to SdC in September to end of October in 2016 their Autumn so we now want to walk it in Spring. To leave Le Puy early there will be to much snow so that will answer your question. We have a Argentine friend living in Angers in France and will celebrate my 80th 12.6.2024 with them so should be a great day as it was about 2014 since we last visited them in Argentina.I am curious why you chose to walk SJPdP-SdC and then immediately Le Puy-SJPdP instead of just Le Puy-SdC?
Amazing! Buen Caminos!!Hi Liz and Ken here, we are walking two Caminos back to back we are starting in SJPdP on 10th April and will allow 60 days then a week of to travel to Le Puy to walk to SJPdP again allowing 60 days. Its a long way from New Zealand upto 32hours so spend a few days to get over the jet lag. I will turn 80 between the two walks. Buen Camino everybody
Yes, all the way from SJPP to Santiago I met people on and off along the way. Also, some good friends I met along the way took a rest day in Burgos or Leon or had blister stops. As I walked 32 days straight I did not see them again along the trail. But I always formed new friends along the way. The nice part was I had 3 nights booked in Santiago so each day I walked down to the Cathedral Square and the friends that had stoped for a rest day or two I got to see them. In fact one gentleman that I walked into Santiago with said he regretted only staying one night in Santiago. Still not to sure which Camino's i'am going to walk and in which order so in the next couple weeks i'am just going to buy a ticket to Madrid for 8 weeks for May and June (my Christmas present to myself, ha ha) then I'll have 5 months to sort it out. My mind was set on Frances and Portuguese. Now thanks to comments on here I might do Portuguese and some other shorter Caminos like Primitivo and Ingles. Some fun and happy decisions for the new year.Hi,
I am also from Canada and I combined two Camino in one trip twice. Just a quick thought, you know this pleasure to meet someone and then run by him/her again later on along the Camino when you don’t expect it and that happen often, you probably experienced this also? If it’s something you like, perhaps start with the Longest in your case the Frances to experience this and arriving in Santiago with those friendships. After that you may appreciate the last 10-14 days on the Portuguese Camino a little more by yourself since you’ll walk against the flow in the other direction if you’re plan is going to be Porto. Nice evenings with people but in the morning you’ll move in the other direction from the others. Looking at some questioning me with concerns if they were hitting in the right directionEnjoy!
If you have time for the Primitivo and Ingles than you probably have time for the San Salvador and Primitivo. Much as I'm sure the Ingles is a great Camino, I'll recommend the Salvador/Primitivo combo for those who have the three weeks. The Salvador is a great Camino and flows so seamlessly into the Primitivo.like Primitivo and Ingles
I agree. I always like to connect Caminos by walking whenever possible.If you have time for the Primitivo and Ingles than you probably have time for the San Salvador and Primitivo. Much as I'm sure the Ingles is a great Camino, I'll recommend the Salvador/Primitivo combo for those who have the three weeks. The Salvador is a great Camino and flows so seamlessly into the Primitivo.
And in this case no steps are required. One starts just where the other ends.I agree. I always like to connect Caminos by walking whenever possible.
Hope this doesn´t just confuse the issue, but if time is not a problem, you could start in Madrid, follow the Camino de Madrid to Sahagún, then the Francés to Léon. From Léon you have the choice of turning onto the Salvador to Oviedo then the Primitivo. Or, from Léon you can continue along the Francés to Ponferrada where you have another choice: stay on the Francés or switch to the Invierno. Either way, you are following at least part of 2, 3 or even 4 different caminos to arrive in Santiago.time is not a problem
Thanks very much, I appreciate all the help. This may be the extra camino to go with my Camino Portuguese. So nice getting information from people that have walked these routes. The Madrid route sounds good to since that's were I will be flying into. Have 5 months to make my decision as May and June are pretty well a lock as the time I want to walk. Will have plane ticket by the end of December. Never thought I would be this excited about going back to the Camino.If you have time for the Primitivo and Ingles than you probably have time for the San Salvador and Primitivo. Much as I'm sure the Ingles is a great Camino, I'll recommend the Salvador/Primitivo combo for those who have the three weeks. The Salvador is a great Camino and flows so seamlessly into the Primitivo.
Yes that is a good plan. I originally was going to walk this past September for my first Camino as I turned 65 September 1st but I decided to go in May instead. Waited 3 years for this Camino and had a chance to leave in May so that was it I was gone. Met these great people from Brazil on my walk and there going to walk the Portuguese in May or June in 2024 and want me to join them, that's why I want to go in May and June. just I want to stay over there longer than 2 weeks. But and it's a big but I might be able to walk the Frances in the fall of 2025. Just checked the Salvador and Primitivo on Gronze and I think that's going to be the walk for me, that was a great recommendation. Plus I wanted to see Leon again so ticks a lot of boxes for me.Haven't read all the replies - sorry if I repeat, but why not the Frances in the Fall since you've done it in the Spring... I've done it mostly in the Fall, but once in the Spring, and it was wonderful seeing the difference in seasons!f
I did the Madrid this year in June before walking on to the San Salvador and Primitivo. It is indeed a very nice Camino but somewhat solitary. Most of the time I was the only pilgrim in the albergue. A good route if you are looking for that solitude rather than the interactions with other pilgrims you would get on the Portugues. The other thing to be aware of on the Madrid is the need for some proficiency with Spanish or a translation app.Thanks very much, I appreciate all the help. This may be the extra camino to go with my Camino Portuguese. So nice getting information from people that have walked these routes. The Madrid route sounds good to since that's were I will be flying into. Have 5 months to make my decision as May and June are pretty well a lock as the time I want to walk. Will have plane ticket by the end of December. Never thought I would be this excited about going back to the Camino.
This has undoubtedly been mentioned above, but wonderful things happen when one doesn't plan too much... Buen Camino.Yes that is a good plan. I originally was going to walk this past September for my first Camino as I turned 65 September 1st but I decided to go in May instead. Waited 3 years for this Camino and had a chance to leave in May so that was it I was gone. Met these great people from Brazil on my walk and there going to walk the Portuguese in May or June in 2024 and want me to join them, that's why I want to go in May and June. just I want to stay over there longer than 2 weeks. But and it's a big but I might be able to walk the Frances in the fall of 2025. Just checked the Salvador and Primitivo on Gronze and I think that's going to be the walk for me, that was a great recommendation. Plus I wanted to see Leon again so ticks a lot of boxes for me.
Yes very true. On first Camino this year and it was the Frances and there was no doubt that that was the one I was going to walk. This year besides the 2 weeks walking the Portuguese camino I don't have to plan so much or choose which route I want to do till I land in Madrid. it's just nice to have these different routes to choose from that form members have recommended. I still like the recommendation of the Salvador because I can start in Leon than the Primitivo because I would really like to see Lugo. But whatever happens I feel free to do what ever camino appeals to me when I arrive in Spain. That's a great feeling.This has undoubtedly been mentioned above, but wonderful things happen when one doesn't plan too much... Buen Camino.
I will walk this route starting from Le Puy to Santiago in May 24.You know, I've watched a few YouTube videos on the Le Puy route and it looks fantastic. I would love to do this camino. The one thing i'am worried about is the language barrier. Most of them say English is rarely spoken on the Le Puy route. That being said this was not one of the options I had considered but maybe between now and next May and can overcome that fear and maybe walk this route. If I wasn't walking solo I would be more inclined to do it also.
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