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Translation please.Gronze is theG.O.A.T!
Greatest Of All TimeGronze is theG.O.A.T!
Not just any 100/200 km. It must be 100/200 km finishing at the cathedral.The only "rule" is if you want to receive a Compostela you must walk or ride horseback for at least 100 km or cycle at least 200 km and make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search.
Thank you, I should have included that. I will correct my post.Not just any 100/200 km. It must be 100/200 km finishing at the cathedral.
It Provides!
You, your attitude, your intention provide. The Camino merely provides the space and energy to help you to adjust yourself to enable you to provide for yourself.Wait, so it doesn't provide – counter to the untold number of times on here we've been assured that it does?
Say more!
You must stay in albergues to be a proper pilgrim.
What I wrote is a "common camino misconception" held by many, as per the thread title.If I was a moderator, that post would be deleted pronto!
I think this was meant as an example of a camino misconception.If I was a moderator, that post would be deleted pronto!
You, your attitude, your intention provide. The Camino merely provides the space and energy to help you to adjust yourself to enable you to provide for yourself.
Forget magical thinking and do the work yourself - with the help of the Camino. Nobody can ride the bicycle for you.
Hang on BP, are you saying that this is a misconception, or that Gronze actually IS the GOAT? (And thanks for the translation @J Walking)Gronze is theG.O.A.T!
Hang on BP, are you saying that this is a misconception, or that Gronze actually IS the GOAT? (And thanks for the translation @J Walking)
That is a great observation, @nidarosa! I frequently see comments here about how Spanish meals contain few vegetables. The Spaniards I know eat many times more vegetables and fruits than my average compatriots, hands down. And when they go out to eat in a restaurant, their eating habits don’t change. It’s those awful pilgrim menus that create that misimpression, and most Spaniards avoid those menus like the plague!That Spanish food contains no vegetables. Yes it does, if you look at the menus and don't just eat the most-calories-for-your-euros pilgrim meals. Buy some fruit in a shop, ask to see the a la carte menu, try the menu del dia.
The food in Spain is horrible. Time to venture a few steps off the Camino for something other than a Pilgrim’s menu.
Please elaborate: Do you want to say that it would not be religious to eat well?A religious pilgrimage
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"It's Your Camino" meaning that it okay to wake everyone up at 5 am by flipping on the lights and rustling plastic bags because--after all--it's YOUR Camino.
ReallyTo be a true pilgrim...
- you have to carry your pack.
- eat Peregrino menu's
- never shortcut with a bus
Any further misconceptions?
Best rabbit – or hare?–stews I've had was in Spain!Although I preferred the Menu del Dias, I often ate the pilgrim meals for their low cost and they were often available at the end of the day when the other was not. Any hot meal served to me that I didn't have to cook, including the glass of wine was very much appreciated...no complaints except for the one time when rabbit stew was served.
Yes, but my rabbit stew included their whole heads with their tiny white teeth staring at me!Best rabbit – or hare?–stews I've had was in Spain!
I think you misunderstood the intent of the one who posted that...they were mentioning that as yet another 'myth to be dispelled'...in other words you can be an authentic pilgrim if you stay in hotels, inns or hostels.If I was a moderator, that post would be deleted pronto!
I agree that's a misconception of the Camino.Wait, so it doesn't provide – counter to the untold number of times on here we've been assured that it does?
Say more!
I am not one for eating out, so purchase from grocery stores along the camino I am on, which allows me to go 'for the cheap,' as you put. However I eat very well doing this, and am still able to save my pennies to treat myself to chocolate, theobroma!The food in Spain is wonderful but you get what you pay for, and this is precisely the problem. The average pilgrim goes for the cheap; for 10 ~ 12 € one cannot expect any quality food, not in Spain, not anywhere else.
Exactly!What I wrote is a "common camino misconception" held by many, as per the thread title.
No misconception there...it IS a religious pilgrimage. It's only that some who walk choose not to make it one.A religious pilgrimage
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Each one has his/her reasons, don't monopolize yours.Exactly!
No misconception there...it IS a religious pilgrimage. It's only that some who walk choose not to make it one.
Each one has his/her reasons, don't monopolyze yours.
I would say some albergues require your credential (stamp book) to receive you.You must stay in albergues to be a proper pilgrim.
I think that the misconception is that the Camino is only or must be a religious pilgrimage.This is absolutely true! But I think the Camino is a religious pilgrimage in the same way that Christmas is a religious holiday: both started out as explicitly religious (and specifically Christian) traditions, but are now celebrated (or walked) in many different ways and for many different reasons.
Saying that the Camino is a religious pilgrimage in no way invalidates the experience for anyone who sees it differently, just as walking it for non-religious or even recreational purposes does not redefine it for those who first and foremost see it as a devotional practice.
That's not a misconception though, that's true.I would say some albergues require your credential (stamp book) to receive you.
It is a common misconception that you need walking poles. Or is it that you don't need walking poles. Hmmmm.
I’ve kind of come to dislike that saying simply because it infers that pilgrims can do whatever they want without regard to others around them. To me it sort of promotes an ‘all about me’ mentality which I find to be the antithesis of the Camino"It's Your Camino" meaning that it okay to wake everyone up at 5 am by flipping on the lights and rustling plastic bags because--after all--it's YOUR Camino.
Yes, like the guy last month who said he was planning his first day "stroll" to Espinal for SJPdP. Several of us warned him that is 39k, he has since dropped out and gone home after getting to Leon with a calf muscle issue.It's a walk in the park!
Gulp!Although I preferred the Menu del Dias, I often ate the pilgrim meals for their low cost and they were often available at the end of the day when the other was not. Any hot meal served to me that I didn't have to cook, including the glass of wine was very much appreciated...no complaints except for the one time when rabbit stew was served.
Fully agree. But: Regards for others does not mean blindly accepting and submitting to what others try to enforce on you. I interpret the "its my Camino" as an important boundary against all attempts of forcing consent. Fine lines.I’ve kind of come to dislike that saying simply because it infers that pilgrims can do whatever they want without regard to others around them. To me it sort of promotes an ‘all about me’ mentality which I find to be the antithesis of the Camino
Making it your Camino means walking it your way, not Brierly's way or my way or anyone elses way, your experience. The people who rustle bags or switch on headlights or otherwise misbehave at ungodly hours or otherwise probably never heard the expression.I’ve kind of come to dislike that saying simply because it infers that pilgrims can do whatever they want without regard to others around them. To me it sort of promotes an ‘all about me’ mentality which I find to be the antithesis of the Camino
I think a better way to state the misconception is that "You have to be religious to participate in the Camino". Because originally - it was indeed intended to be a religious pilgrimage. Fortunately - it has evolved to be that - AND so much more! Therefore - anyone - not just Catholics - can partake in the Camino experience.A religious pilgrimage
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I've walked the Camino from SJPDP in 2015 and Camino Portuguese in 2017 from Lisbon and only had 1 stamp for all stages and didn't have any problems getting my Credential. No questions asked. Maybe they've changed the rules.Note: when you post a misconception please start with "it's a misconception that..." to lessen any confusion
Here's a thread to (hopefully) dispel some common Camino misconceptions.
Off the top of my head some of the more common misconceptions are:
You need to follow guidebook stages. Nope. Guidebooks have stages possibly because those are the stages that the guidebook author prefers, it's an easy way to organize the information, etc. You can stop for the night wherever you want. Check a guidebook, website like Gronze.com, or app to make sure that your stopping place offers the services that you need.
You need special equipment to walk across the Pyrenees. No, while the initial ascent from SJPdP is very steep, much of it is on a paved road. This is not mountaineering.
Private albergues are always nicer than public, municipal or parochial albergues. Many public albergues are updated with newer beds, bathrooms, etc., while there are private albergues in a state of disrepair. Check out public albergues like Roncesvalles which was remodeled in recent years and features bunks in cubicles of four beds with a locker for each bed, modern bathrooms, and a large laundry room. Or Azofra municipal with rooms of two single beds in each (no bunks!) and a lovely patio with fountain. The large municipal albergue in Burgos is also recently updated. And the purpose built municipal albergue in Dumbría is stunning.
Compare to some private albergues
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You must start the Camino Francés in St Jean Pied de Port, the Norte in Irun, the VdlP in Seville, etc. The Camino starts wherever you want it to start. The only "rule" is if you want to receive a Compostela you must walk or ride horseback for at least the final 100 km or cycle at least 200 km into Santiago, and make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search. If you aren't walking for those reasons you can still receive a lovely certificate of welcome when you arrive in Santiago, and for 3 euros a distance certificate.
You don't need two stamps a day to receive a Compostela if you start in SJPdP, León, Irun, etc. Not true. The pilgrim's office is clear: You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims).
The rules are clearly stated on their website here, whether or not the rule is always strictly applied.Maybe they've changed the rules.
I actually think that this is a common misconception. "It is your Camino" or "It is my Camino" can be used with negative or positive connotations.I’ve kind of come to dislike that saying simply because it infers that pilgrims can do whatever they want without regard to others around them. To me it sort of promotes an ‘all about me’ mentality which I find to be the antithesis of the Camino
I can!!!That a “true” pilgrim can be defined.
Most ridiculous rule ever. And not followed. I just finished the Via/Sanabres and didn’t have one stamp per day. I had no problem at the Pilgrims Office. Unless of course the Camino is about adults collecting stamps. Who in their right mind would claim a compostela after not having walked?Thank you, I should have included that. I will correct my post.
Misconception.If I was a moderator, that post would be deleted pronto!
Food in Spain is AMAZINGIt’s a miconception that: The food in Spain is horrible. Time to venture a few steps off the Camino for something other than a Pilgrim’s menu.
We found another misconception:Most ridiculous rule ever. And not followed. I just finished the Via/Sanabres and didn’t have one stamp per day. I had no problem at the Pilgrims Office. Unless of course the Camino is about adults collecting stamps.
ITS A MISCONCEPTION! The whole thread is about 'misconceptions on the Camino.Please elaborate: Do you want to say that it would not be religious to eat well?
It happens believe me (claiming a Compostela).Most ridiculous rule ever. And not followed. I just finished the Via/Sanabres and didn’t have one stamp per day. I had no problem at the Pilgrims Office. Unless of course the Camino is about adults collecting stamps. Who in their right mind would claim a compostela after not having walked?
It's a common misconception to overvalue the Compostela (and the gathering of stamps to fill it). This is a thing. It's a piece of paper. The Camino is about how your heart changes. Walking the Camino, I've seen many too many peregrinos giving insufficient attention to interacting with the people they were meeting and places they were seeing because of their focus on getting stamps for their piece of paper. Sure, souvenirs and remembrances (especially ones with religious significance) can be important as our Camino days fade into the past. But not nearly as important as what we can gain from being consciously open to the streets, the churches, the fields——and the minds and hearts of the other souls walking them with us.Note: when you post a misconception please start with "it's a misconception that..." to lessen any confusion
Here's a thread to (hopefully) dispel some common Camino misconceptions.
Off the top of my head some of the more common misconceptions are:
You need to follow guidebook stages. Nope. Guidebooks have stages possibly because those are the stages that the guidebook author prefers, it's an easy way to organize the information, etc. You can stop for the night wherever you want. Check a guidebook, website like Gronze.com, or app to make sure that your stopping place offers the services that you need.
You need special equipment to walk across the Pyrenees. No, while the initial ascent from SJPdP is very steep, much of it is on a paved road. This is not mountaineering.
Private albergues are always nicer than public, municipal or parochial albergues. Many public albergues are updated with newer beds, bathrooms, etc., while there are private albergues in a state of disrepair. Check out public albergues like Roncesvalles which was remodeled in recent years and features bunks in cubicles of four beds with a locker for each bed, modern bathrooms, and a large laundry room. Or Azofra municipal with rooms of two single beds in each (no bunks!) and a lovely patio with fountain. The large municipal albergue in Burgos is also recently updated. And the purpose built municipal albergue in Dumbría is stunning.
Compare to some private albergues
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You must start the Camino Francés in St Jean Pied de Port, the Norte in Irun, the VdlP in Seville, etc. The Camino starts wherever you want it to start. The only "rule" is if you want to receive a Compostela you must walk or ride horseback for at least the final 100 km or cycle at least 200 km into Santiago, and make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search. If you aren't walking for those reasons you can still receive a lovely certificate of welcome when you arrive in Santiago, and for 3 euros a distance certificate.
You don't need two stamps a day to receive a Compostela if you start in SJPdP, León, Irun, etc. Not true. The pilgrim's office is clear: You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims).
Have you really seen people for whom stamp-getting is a time-consuming activity that occupies the minds and hearts of pilgrims to the point of being anti-social?I've seen many too many peregrinos giving insufficient attention to interacting with the people they were meeting and places they were seeing because of their focus on getting stamps for their piece of paper.
Hi @mosey marty - I like that name! Sorry, but I will challenge your comment...
Have you really seen people for whom stamp-getting is a time-consuming activity that occupies the minds and hearts of pilgrims to the point of being anti-social?
I find this statement interesting. "insufficient attention to interacting with the people they were meeting". Um - you probably would have included me in this group last summer. I spent a LOT of time alone. I did interact with others. But I mostly walked alone. I NEEDED to walk alone. I had a horrible year and I was mentally and physically drained. I needed to do my Camino - mostly alone - to heal and recover. I also did go out of my way to ensure I got my stamps. I mean - it happened naturally as I checked into Albergues before Sarria - but after Sarria I had to make a conscientious effort. Getting the compostela was important to me. Yes - it was just a piece of paper. But it is also proof that I accomplished something that no one else I know has accomplished. I completed a Pilgrimage. AND I walked all the way across Northern Spain. For me - those two things were a huge deal - so that silly piece of paper meant a lot to me. But - really - how much time did collecting those stamps take? Um - I walked into a bar - ordered a drink - and collected a stamp. So - yes, I spent "too much" time alone and I "focused" on getting my stamps. But really? It was a perfect Camino for me and getting those silly little stamps and the silly little certificate took next to no time compared to my many weeks walking, reflecting, and recovering. And my walking alone was the most therapeutic thing I could have ever done for myself! So therapeutic - I am doing it again this summer. But this summer - I am not going into it as physically and emotionally drained as last year. So this summer - I do plan to try to interact more. Maybe. BTW - those stamps I collected along the way? They give me a lot of joy now! They bring back great memories.I've seen many too many peregrinos giving insufficient attention to interacting with the people they were meeting and places they were seeing because of their focus on getting stamps for their piece of paper. Sure, souvenirs and remembrances (especially ones with religious significance) can be important as our Camino days fade into the past. But not nearly as important as what we can gain from being consciously open to the streets, the churches, the fields——and the minds and hearts of the other souls walking them with us.
Is that a question or a statement? I hate those selfish people. And getting up in the middle of the dark walking with a light on the Camino ‘is NOT the Camino way’ as I was told by a local."It's Your Camino" meaning that it okay to wake everyone up at 5 am by flipping on the lights and rustling plastic bags because--after all--it's YOUR Camino.
He made it all the way to León at that pace?!?Yes, like the guy last month who said he was planning his first day "stroll" to Espinal for SJPdP. Several of us warned him that is 39k, he has since dropped out and gone home after getting to Leon with a calf muscle issue.
So let's add the tried and true advice to pay attention to your body, that is not a misconception.
I spent fifteen months (not consecutive but over four years) as a hospitalero. I never saw proof that it happens, but I heard more than once pilgrims complaining about people who park a car out of sight, walk to an albergue for a stamp, and back to the car to go to the next one.It happens believe me (claiming a Compostela).
Personally, I have only seen something like this once in Masilla de las Mullas when 4 ladies showed up with days packs at the albergue and then finally checked in later for the night with large backpacks. I discovered the next morning they had a car parked a few blocks from the center of town and each day one of the ladies would drive forward with their packs so the other 3 ladies could "walk?" the Camino.I spent fifteen months (not consecutive but over four years) as a hospitalero. I never saw proof that it happens, but I heard more than once pilgrims complaining about people who park a car out of sight, walk to an albergue for a stamp, and back to the car to go to the next one.
In contrast, one day when our albergue was full, we offered to call a taxi to the next village for four fellows who arrived late at night. At first, they refused because riding in a vehicle "would be cheating." Eventually, they accepted the taxi, but came BACK the next morning so they could do the whole thing on foot.
Not exactly. I watched his thread carefully because I wanted to believe in his "bravado" about the a 39 k "stroll" on the first day. His stated his plan was to arrive in Pamplona on two days.He made it all the way to León at that pace?!?
It is not 39 km. Espinal is 6.5 km from Roncesvalles and the trail from Roncesvalles to Espinal is completely flat. For most pilgrims who start early from SJPP it is not a problem after having a short stop in Roncesvalles to walk to Espinal, where food options are much better than in Roncesvalles. That makes 25+6.5 = 31.5 kmthe guy last month who said he was planning his first day "stroll" to Espinal from SJPdP. Several of us warned him that is 39k
I think you missed my original post, he said he was planning a "stroll" from SJPdP to Espinal on his first day. He found refuge at Roncevalles the first night and then marched onto Zubiri after finding the down hill a problem. So his 2 day walk to Pamplona took a little longer than he planned. Enough, the end of this conversation, thank you very much!!!!It is not 39 km. Espinal is 6.5 km from Roncesvalles and the trail from Roncesvalles to Espinal is completely flat. For most pilgrims who start early from SJPP it is not a problem after having a short stop in Roncesvalles to walk to Espinal, where food options are much better than in Roncesvalles. That makes 25+6.5 = 31.5 km
https://goo.gl/maps/B6tsETpHqHyFCZbB6
From Espinal to albergue Jesus y Maria in Pamplona is 35 km.
During high season there is shortage of beds in Roncesvalles. Those who feel strong enough to continue should probably leave their bed for those who can't walk any further...
Note: when you post a misconception please start with "it's a misconception that..." to lessen any confusion
Here's a thread to (hopefully) dispel some common Camino misconceptions.
Off the top of my head some of the more common misconceptions are:
You need to follow guidebook stages. Nope. Guidebooks have stages possibly because those are the stages that the guidebook author prefers, it's an easy way to organize the information, etc. You can stop for the night wherever you want. Check a guidebook, website like Gronze.com, or app to make sure that your stopping place offers the services that you need.
You need special equipment to walk across the Pyrenees. No, while the initial ascent from SJPdP is very steep, much of it is on a paved road. This is not mountaineering.
Private albergues are always nicer than public, municipal or parochial albergues. Many public albergues are updated with newer beds, bathrooms, etc., while there are private albergues in a state of disrepair. Check out public albergues like Roncesvalles which was remodeled in recent years and features bunks in cubicles of four beds with a locker for each bed, modern bathrooms, and a large laundry room. Or Azofra municipal with rooms of two single beds in each (no bunks!) and a lovely patio with fountain. The large municipal albergue in Burgos is also recently updated. And the purpose built municipal albergue in Dumbría is stunning.
Compare to some private albergues
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You must start the Camino Francés in St Jean Pied de Port, the Norte in Irun, the VdlP in Seville, etc. The Camino starts wherever you want it to start. The only "rule" is if you want to receive a Compostela you must walk or ride horseback for at least the final 100 km or cycle at least 200 km into Santiago, and make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search. If you aren't walking for those reasons you can still receive a lovely certificate of welcome when you arrive in Santiago, and for 3 euros a distance certificate.
You don't need two stamps a day to receive a Compostela if you start in SJPdP, León, Irun, etc. Not true. The pilgrim's office is clear: You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims).
Yes, more than one!There's an app out there without stages ...
I think you missed my original post, he said he was planning a "stroll" from SJPdP to Espinal on his first day. He found refuge at Roncevalles the first night and then marched onto Zubiri after finding the down hill a problem. So his 2 day walk to Pamplona took a little longer than he planned. Enough, the end of this conversation, thank you very much!!!!
This is true but I think it is also a misconception that the butafumeiro is rarely swung. I have seen it swung at least twice (I have a sense I saw it twice one year) after three caminos.It’s a misconception that: The botafumeiro is done at the end of every mass at the cathedral
It's a misconception that when you post a misconception that you need to start with "it's a misconception that...".Note: when you post a misconception please start with "it's a misconception that..." to lessen any confusion
Its a misconception that it is my Camino.Note: when you post a misconception please start with "it's a misconception that..." to lessen any confusion
Here's a thread to (hopefully) dispel some common Camino misconceptions.
Off the top of my head some of the more common misconceptions are:
You need to follow guidebook stages. Nope. Guidebooks have stages possibly because those are the stages that the guidebook author prefers, it's an easy way to organize the information, etc. You can stop for the night wherever you want. Check a guidebook, website like Gronze.com, or app to make sure that your stopping place offers the services that you need.
You need special equipment to walk across the Pyrenees. No, while the initial ascent from SJPdP is very steep, much of it is on a paved road. This is not mountaineering.
Private albergues are always nicer than public, municipal or parochial albergues. Many public albergues are updated with newer beds, bathrooms, etc., while there are private albergues in a state of disrepair. Check out public albergues like Roncesvalles which was remodeled in recent years and features bunks in cubicles of four beds with a locker for each bed, modern bathrooms, and a large laundry room. Or Azofra municipal with rooms of two single beds in each (no bunks!) and a lovely patio with fountain. The large municipal albergue in Burgos is also recently updated. And the purpose built municipal albergue in Dumbría is stunning.
Compare to some private albergues pictured here:
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You must start the Camino Francés in St Jean Pied de Port, the Norte in Irun, the VdlP in Seville, etc. The Camino starts wherever you want it to start. The only "rule" is if you want to receive a Compostela you must walk or ride horseback for at least the final 100 km or cycle at least 200 km into Santiago, and make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search. If you aren't walking for those reasons you can still receive a lovely certificate of welcome when you arrive in Santiago, and for 3 euros a distance certificate.
You don't need two stamps a day to receive a Compostela if you start in SJPdP, León, Irun, etc. Not true. The pilgrim's office is clear: You have to stamp the Credencial twice a day at least on the last 100 km (for pilgrims on foot or on horseback) or on the last 200 km (for cyclists pilgrims).
I think many misconceptions come in pairs.It is a common misconception that you need walking poles. Or is it that you don't need walking poles. Hmmmm.
Your ATM card provides.Wait, so it doesn't provide – counter to the untold number of times on here we've been assured that it does?
Say more!
Greatest of all time!Translation please.
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