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Anamya

Keeping it simple
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (2015)
Portugues (2017)
Lebaniego (2019)
I suppose you are talking about the amount of people on the Camino.
If it doesn't, is it a bad thing or just different?

*hugs*
 

J F Gregory

Portugal Central - October 2019
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (March-April,2016) finished, (October 2019) Portuguese Central Route.
It has definitely changed. The original Pilgrims made the pilgrimage out of seeking spiritual devotion and insight. There are many that still walk for that reason, but many don't. Of course the crowded procession has helped the economy in many of the rural communities and all of Spain.
 
Camino(s) past & future
(2014)
Where I am it’s been calm—started Saturday from Pamplona and just stopped at the first Albuergue I spotted and immediately got a bed. I am a very slow walker (took me from 6:15 to 4:30 to walk from Villamayor de Monjardín to Viana today, granted with two long coffee breaks) but despite my snail’s pace I have been lucky so far with beds. Fingers crossed this continues!
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances 2005,2008,2010,2015.camino Portuguese 2007 .primativo2012.camino Norte 2009.sjpdp to finisterre and muxia 2007. Le Puy to jpdp 2006. Via francigena vercelli to Lucca 2014. Lucca to Rome 2016.
Just reminiscing about "the old days" and wondering . . .
I don't think it will slow down on the Camino frances any time soon ...we reached Santiago on Saturday and the pilgrims arriving from the CF were unbelievable...mostly groups of students ....from Sarria I presume but maybe further back
Same on Sunday

Well we just walked the Invierno, and in 9 days we only met about 7 pilgrims ...when we reached The Sanabres at Laxe, the last 3 days..... the numbers increased somewhat but certainly not crowded.

At the Outerio albergue on the last day we learned that just 4 pilgrims had stayed there the night before.
In Sillida,(VDLP) the proprietor of the restaurant next to the albergue said that numbers were greatly down from the same time last year
So maybe it's just the CF that is finding increasing numbers

We also met a hospitalero from the Norte and he told us that there are many web sites now telling people that it's a cheap holiday to walk the CF ....as donitivo albergues are free to stay in!!!

Just don't get me started on this subject
Best wishes
Annette
 

omar504

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016,2017,2018
I'm on the mozarabe writing this in the albergue la fondacio/casa rural in moclin..on my own of course. Owner left the key under a bucket and said sleep where you like. There are 3 f loors with about three separate bedrooms..all singles with sheets pillows and a towel on each bed. Top floor has lounge,pool table and ping pong...plus a washing machine.Dowstairs is large dining room with 3 large sofas and a large table. Nice outdoor seating area...and a bbq. Fully equipped kitchen with 2 big fridges. €20..pay carlos in the supermarket. I signed my self in..first person since 28/6. Never ceases to amaze me the mania for doing the cf...my first one was vdlp....be brave!
 
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t2andreo

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
Voluntario: 2014 to 2018
I'm worried about 2021.
I recommend that anyone worried about 2021 walk in 2020 instead, then perhaps plan to volunteer for the ACC either at the Pilgrim Office as I do, or in an albergue staffed by them. You can obtain information on the Pilgrim Office web page.

As an alternative, your national pilgrim association may staff one or more albergues. You might choose to offer your services as a volunteer through them.

Working to help pilgrims is an excellent way to give back, for all the Camino has meant to you. I always get far more out of the volunteer experience than I put into it.

The third alternative, if you simply MUST walk a Camino in 2021, is to walk a lesser used route, at a hip season time of year. Just stay the heck away from the Camino Frances, especially from Sarria.

IMHO, I anticipate a continuous flow of pilgrims more or less from dawn to dusk along this route from Semana Santa through the autumn frost. It could look like a football match getting out...:eek:

Personally, I am not planning to walk in 2021. Instead I plan to offer my services for a second month of volunteer work. I am thinking the first stint would be from Semana Santa for four weeks. My second stint is my usual month-long tour from mid-July to mid-August.

In fact, I depart on Thursday 11 July, arrive at Santiago on the 12th, and start working on the 15th. I plan. budget and look forward to this "time off for good behavior" all year.

Hope this helps the dialog.
 

LesBrass

Likes Walking
Camino(s) past & future
yes...
@t2andreo ... Do you know if the 2020 schedule is available yet? I would love to volunteer but I have to book my holiday in advance so I'm now planning for summer 2020. I seem to remember you saying the weeks are fixed (first 2 weeks and the second 2 weeks)? I'm worried that my dates won't fit in that window but it would be good to check? I'm doing a 3 week Spanish immersion course in January to help improve my Spanish and I'd like to come in June ...I don't mind what I do, I would just love to give some time and help?
 

t2andreo

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
Voluntario: 2014 to 2018
I am attaching the 2019 two-week ACC volunteer bracket schedule. The 2020 brackets will not be available until late this calendar year.

The ACC has all it can do to get through THIS year without worrying too much about NEXT year.

That is why I am trying to generate interest in volunteering next year, and beyond...

See the attached .pdf file (below) for the 2019 brackets. Extrapolate from there using a 2020 calendar.

NOTE: The standard two-week volunteer periods ALWAYS start on a Monday and end two weeks later, also on the Monday. Technically, it is 15-calendar days. You report the first Monday morning with your luggage. At 14:00 that day, you have access to the volunteer flat. So, I would not show up until after noon.

On the final day, also the Monday, you must be out of the flat by 10:00. You can bring your baggage to the office until later. Actually, you don't work the first or last Mondays. However, you can, if you choose, come early and stay late. I usually do.

I usually arrive at Santiago a few days early, to get the lay of things, before I start work, staying in commercial lodging. I do the same thing on the back end. Others arrive in Santiago the Monday morning of the first week, going directly from the airport train or bus station to the office, and depart Santiago on the afternoon of the final Monday. It's up to you. But I always use the opportunity to renew friendships, see things, and just enjoy being there.

Hope this helps.
 

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Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 was Camino #14
I'm on the mozarabe writing this in the albergue la fondacio/casa rural in moclin..on my own of course. Owner left the key under a bucket and said sleep where you like. There are 3 f loors with about three separate bedrooms..all singles with sheets pillows and a towel on each bed. Top floor has lounge,pool table and ping pong...plus a washing machine.Dowstairs is large dining room with 3 large sofas and a large table. Nice outdoor seating area...and a bbq. Fully equipped kitchen with 2 big fridges. €20..pay carlos in the supermarket. I signed my self in..first person since 28/6. Never ceases to amaze me the mania for doing the cf...my first one was vdlp....be brave!
Yes, I've walked the other routes. Just wondered about the CF.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 was Camino #14
The only thing constant is change. This is a good thing for Spain, and exactly what they intended when they invested so heavily in promoting the Camino. I expect we will continue to see various routes develop to manage the numbers.
Some locals think it is a good thing.
Other's don't and complain the pilgrims are like locusts.
Just depends on who you speak with.
 

LesBrass

Likes Walking
Camino(s) past & future
yes...
I am attaching the 2019 two-week ACC volunteer bracket schedule. The 2020 brackets will not be available until late this calendar year.

The ACC has all it can do to get through THIS year without worrying too much about NEXT year.

That is why I am trying to generate interest in volunteering next year, and beyond...

See the attached .pdf file (below) for the 2019 brackets. Extrapolate from there using a 2020 calendar.

NOTE: The standard two-week volunteer periods ALWAYS start on a Monday and end two weeks later, also on the Monday. Technically, it is 15-calendar days. You report the first Monday morning with your luggage. At 14:00 that day, you have access to the volunteer flat. So, I would not show up until after noon.

On the final day, also the Monday, you must be out of the flat by 10:00. You can bring your baggage to the office until later. Actually, you don't work the first or last Mondays. However, you can, if you choose, come early and stay late. I usually do.

I usually arrive at Santiago a few days early, to get the lay of things, before I start work, staying in commercial lodging. I do the same thing on the back end. Others arrive in Santiago the Monday morning of the first week, going directly from the airport train or bus station to the office, and depart Santiago on the afternoon of the final Monday. It's up to you. But I always use the opportunity to renew friendships, see things, and just enjoy being there.

Hope this helps.
This is great thank you. I will try to ensure my planning means I can fit in two weeks. I really hope I can make this work in June... I already have some fixed concerts for June 2020 so I'll start planning! I'm quite excited about this... I just need to do some Hosp. Training and then I can also volunteer for this too! many thanks :)
 

t2andreo

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
Voluntario: 2014 to 2018
This is great thank you. I will try to ensure my planning means I can fit in two weeks. I really hope I can make this work in June... I already have some fixed concerts for June 2020 so I'll start planning! I'm quite excited about this... I just need to do some Hosp. Training and then I can also volunteer for this too! many thanks :)
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you still need to apply to ACC, be approved, and scheduled for the time slot you would prefer.

Look at my post on “Volunteering at the Pilgrim Office in Santiago.” Use the search function to find it. Everything you need to know is there.

Hope this helps.
 

LesBrass

Likes Walking
Camino(s) past & future
yes...
Not to put too fine a point on it, but you still need to apply to ACC, be approved, and scheduled for the time slot you would prefer.

Look at my post on “Volunteering at the Pilgrim Office in Santiago.” Use the search function to find it. Everything you need to know is there.

Hope this helps.
Yes, I totally understand ... sorry I wasn't jumping the gun... I'm really just trying to get my dates and times in order at my end so that I can apply. :)
 

JillGat

la tierra encantada
Camino(s) past & future
C. Frances
SJPP - Finisterre - Muxia, May 2016
C. Frances, Sept 2017
Camino Portugues, June 2019
So is 2021 a Holy Year or is it 2020?
 

David Tallan

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
I don't think it will significantly slow down any time soon. I won't say it will never slow down. It was massively walked (or ridden) for centuries and then slowed to the barest trickle. The year I did my first Camino they gave out about 5,000 compostelas, and if you look a decade before then, it was a tiny fraction of that. It has waxed and waned before and, while it is certainly currently waxing, it could wane again. I just wouldn't pin my hopes on that happening any time soon.
 

Karl Oz

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances
Portuguese
Aragones
Sanabres
Piamonte
Elizabethpfad
I don't think it will significantly slow down any time soon. I won't say it will never slow down. It was massively walked (or ridden) for centuries and then slowed to the barest trickle. The year I did my first Camino they gave out about 5,000 compostelas, and if you look a decade before then, it was a tiny fraction of that. It has waxed and wanted before and, while it is certainly currently waxing, it could wane again. I just wouldn't pin my hopes on that happening any time soon.
Wax on, wane off....
 

Calisteve

Member
Camino(s) past & future
June 16 CF
July 17 CF with my son (aged 14)
July 18 CP with my wife
On the ingles currently and pretty quiet compared with the Frances. Seen about a dozen other pilgrims since leaving Ferrol. Reckon I saw more in 10 minutes from my bedroom window in Sarria a couple of years ago. As others have said - neither better not worse just different.
 

gerip

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF, Lourdes to Burgos, Oct 2018
CF, Burgos to Santiago, May 2019
Primitivo, Oct 2019
I am attaching the 2019 two-week ACC volunteer bracket schedule. The 2020 brackets will not be available until late this calendar year.

The ACC has all it can do to get through THIS year without worrying too much about NEXT year.

That is why I am trying to generate interest in volunteering next year, and beyond...

See the attached .pdf file (below) for the 2019 brackets. Extrapolate from there using a 2020 calendar.

NOTE: The standard two-week volunteer periods ALWAYS start on a Monday and end two weeks later, also on the Monday. Technically, it is 15-calendar days. You report the first Monday morning with your luggage. At 14:00 that day, you have access to the volunteer flat. So, I would not show up until after noon.

On the final day, also the Monday, you must be out of the flat by 10:00. You can bring your baggage to the office until later. Actually, you don't work the first or last Mondays. However, you can, if you choose, come early and stay late. I usually do.

I usually arrive at Santiago a few days early, to get the lay of things, before I start work, staying in commercial lodging. I do the same thing on the back end. Others arrive in Santiago the Monday morning of the first week, going directly from the airport train or bus station to the office, and depart Santiago on the afternoon of the final Monday. It's up to you. But I always use the opportunity to renew friendships, see things, and just enjoy being there.

Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info. Sending my CV off today, hoping to volunteer in the autumn.
BTW, is there a thread solely for volunteering on this forum?
 

Rusty walker

Walking is traveling at the Speed of Life.
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances Spring 2018
Where I am it’s been calm—started Saturday from Pamplona and just stopped at the first Albuergue I spotted and immediately got a bed. I am a very slow walker (took me from 6:15 to 4:30 to walk from Villamayor de Monjardín to Viana today, granted with two long coffee breaks) but despite my snail’s pace I have been lucky so far with beds. Fingers crossed this continues!
I'm interested in your journey. Are you going all the way to Santiago? While I never thought of or intended to walk the CF in the summer, I have a daughter and son who teach and June/July is the only time they could go, and they are interested. I'm curious if it is much busier than the spring/fall, or if most of the walkers are still just going from Sarria.
 

trecile

Camino Addict
Camino(s) past & future
SJPDP-Finisterre X 2 - 2016 & 2017, El Norte - Irun to Vilalba 2018
I'm interested in your journey. Are you going all the way to Santiago? While I never thought of or intended to walk the CF in the summer, I have a daughter and son who teach and June/July is the only time they could go, and they are interested. I'm curious if it is much busier than the spring/fall, or if most of the walkers are still just going from Sarria.
In my experience, for most of the Camino Francés, until Sarria, it's less busy in the summer than Spring and Fall.
 
Camino(s) past & future
this will be my first. Norte September 2018.
I'm on the mozarabe writing this in the albergue la fondacio/casa rural in moclin..on my own of course. Owner left the key under a bucket and said sleep where you like. There are 3 f loors with about three separate bedrooms..all singles with sheets pillows and a towel on each bed. Top floor has lounge,pool table and ping pong...plus a washing machine.Dowstairs is large dining room with 3 large sofas and a large table. Nice outdoor seating area...and a bbq. Fully equipped kitchen with 2 big fridges. €20..pay carlos in the supermarket. I signed my self in..first person since 28/6. Never ceases to amaze me the mania for doing the cf...my first one was vdlp....be brave!
This is my plan for May/June 2020. God Willing! 😉
 
Camino(s) past & future
this will be my first. Norte September 2018.
@t2andreo ... Do you know if the 2020 schedule is available yet? I would love to volunteer but I have to book my holiday in advance so I'm now planning for summer 2020. I seem to remember you saying the weeks are fixed (first 2 weeks and the second 2 weeks)? I'm worried that my dates won't fit in that window but it would be good to check? I'm doing a 3 week Spanish immersion course in January to help improve my Spanish and I'd like to come in June ...I don't mind what I do, I would just love to give some time and help?
May I inquire about the spanish immersion course?
 

LesBrass

Likes Walking
Camino(s) past & future
yes...
May I inquire about the spanish immersion course?
I haven't 100% decided on the course provider but I am going to be in Malaga in January and there are several well recognised schools offering spanish language courses. I'm opting for 25 hours a week for 3 weeks. I think my final choice will come down to dates that their beginer courses start and my travel dates. I hope in the hope that at the end my Spanish will progress from Hola to a little more depth. My biggest problem seems to be as I learn a spanish word, it replaced the word I already know in French... I come home to France from a camino speaking a mix of French, Spanish and English... I think it might be an age thing :)

I just decided enough was enough... I need to make an effort and learn.
 

VNwalking

Wandering in big circles
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Francés ('14/'15)
San Olav/CF ('16)
Baztanés/CF ('17)
Ingles ('18)
Vasco/CF/Invierno ('19)
BTW, is there a thread solely for volunteering on this forum?
If Ivar needed help from us in the peanut gallery, no doubt he'll have asked. Sometimes volunteers are more of a burden than a help. ;)
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015 SJPD to Burgos
2017 Leon to Santiago
Pamplona to Santiago Mar. 2018
Burgos - SCDC (Oct 18)
I haven't 100% decided on the course provider but I am going to be in Malaga in January and there are several well recognised schools offering spanish language courses. I'm opting for 25 hours a week for 3 weeks. I think my final choice will come down to dates that their beginer courses start and my travel dates. I hope in the hope that at the end my Spanish will progress from Hola to a little more depth. My biggest problem seems to be as I learn a spanish word, it replaced the word I already know in French... I come home to France from a camino speaking a mix of French, Spanish and English... I think it might be an age thing :)

I just decided enough was enough... I need to make an effort and learn.
Usually a third language has more interference with the second language, than the first, as I recall from Lingustics.
 

robertt

Active Member
Pssst...Just walk in winter, stay in hotels and do late starts in case a few other pilgrims are about. You'll have the Frances to yourself. You'll meet a few pilgs (Japanese and Koreans take hols in winter) in the evenings, but they'll be gone next day while you're still deciding on brekky.

If you walk really slowly you might encounter some pilgs coming from the town behind, but when they realise you're a total sloth they'll dash on ahead.

Of course, if anyone tries to out-loaf and out-dawdle you it might be necessary to come down hard. Start even later, take extra long lunches, do double rest days...

I can be very competitive with other dawdlers. It's not all churros and garlic soup out there in winter.
 

ivar

Administrator
Staff member
I have set up a new forum called "Looking for volunteers, interested in volunteering" under the "Miscellaneous Topics" main forum... I guess it can be used by people looking for volunteers, and those interested in volunteering.

"Casa Ivar" is fine for now... since I am a for-profit company, I think it would not be legal for me to get a volunteer since there is a law on minimum wage in Spain.
 

Rusty walker

Walking is traveling at the Speed of Life.
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances Spring 2018
Day 20 on CF and it is way less crowded than I anticipated. No bed rushing at all. Some days I rarely see another pilgrim!
I've noticed that they had quite a heat wave a few weeks back. How hot are the albergues at night, for sleeping?
 
Camino(s) past & future
Nearly every year since 2006, often walking more than one route. 2018 was Camino #14
I've noticed that they had quite a heat wave a few weeks back. How hot are the albergues at night, for sleeping?
They are all different. But none I recall had ac. And there is a cultural glitch. I love sleeping with the windows open. On the HOT VDLP some years back we had pilgrims from one European country who seriously feared sleeping under an open window could cause deathly illness. Tip: get there early and get a bed under the window!
 

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