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Now seems a good time to ask how exactly the Ignore list functions? I have often been tempted.....Both Conversation and Ignore are badly underused! If a Member rubs you the wrong way, put him/her on your Ignore list. Praise in public, reprimand in private. Use a Conversation for posts that you know will lead to conflict. Leave the rest of us out of it! While it is just my opinion, Laurie has it right.
Posts simply do not appear except to show that there is one by someone you are ignoring.how exactly the Ignore list functions?
You put forum members on your "Ignore" list here:Now seems a good time to ask how exactly the Ignore list functions? I have often been tempted.....Will it actually stop posts appearing on my view of the forum?
I presume (I think) that someone would not be aware that they had been placed on someone else's ignore list?
Both Conversation and Ignore are badly underused! If a Member rubs you the wrong way, put him/her on your Ignore list. Praise in public, reprimand in private. Use a Conversation for posts that you know will lead to conflict. Leave the rest of us out of it! While it is just my opinion, Laurie has it right.
'Ignore' helps, but if a post is quoted by another post does it then appear?
Also while it is possible to ignore 'bad behaviour' does it excuse it?
I have used the facility rarely, but negativity does seem to be getting more common, which is sad.
I have noticed what you highlight.On several recent occasions, I have read posts in which forum members commented about the negativity and aggression that they see routinely on the forum. That is not a good development, and it is not something that people would have commented on as recently as a few years ago. There have always been dust-ups, and I'm sure that most long time members can identify a couple of people who routinely fire off at each other, but my impression has always been that we are open and tolerant and know how to maintain a sense of civil, well-mannered respect. For at least some members, those do not seem to be the ground rules any more.
I have also been one of the mods who has erred more on the side of being less quick to pull the "delete" trigger, since my own cultural background is one of the "marketplace of ideas", freedom from censorship, etc etc. But this hands-off attitude may be partly responsible for the big increase I see in posts that I would characterize as "dog grabbing pant leg and unwilling to let go" approach to the Camino forum.
If you want to tell a forum member you think he or she just made up what was just posted, or if you want to say that you think a topic is silly and boring, can you please ask yourself why you need to say that? And if you do need to say that, take it to a private conversation.
I speak only for myself on this but I am going to try my hardest to get us back to that happy place where we shared our disagreements without getting into this pointless negativity.
Buen camino, Laurie
....I speak only for myself on this...
PS: I hope I do not get a PM from you...
Edit: I forgot to say that recently, when I see some certain user(s)s posting, I thread more carefully, reluctant to participate.
Checked and answered. I knew it was coming.......you do have a PM from ME . Check your inbox.
THREAD LIGHTLY!I have noticed what you highlight.
Edit: I forgot to say that recently, when I see some certain user(s)s posting, I thread more carefully, reluctant to participate.
There is a reason why we have been equipped with 2 eyes and ears, and only one mouth: Think before you speak. It would do many people good to lean back and reflect before speaking (writing).
A very thoughtful and appropriate post, somehow I picture you as an old Alburge cat, one that had an exotic life before settling down on a warm window ledge to keep an eye on the field mice trudging by. You're still young and spry enough to leap into action when you want, but you are trying to be zen instead.It's important to remember that this forum is kinda like Noah's Ark: we are all colors and shapes, sizes and species, drawn here from all over the world and hopefully moving forward toward a shared destination. Some of us elephants like throwing our weight around sometimes, enough to rock the boat. Some of us tigers need to be shoved back in our cages sometimes. The cats need to overcome their urge to bother the mice.
And everyone's got to take a deep breath when the "boars" start up, talking endlessly about the proper wrist-to-handle ratio hiking- pole grasp...
Well, we might admit that many of us, myself included, can chat on and on and on about something. No doubt people with less patience sometimes feel like yelling "get to the point!" (Maybe this post is an example!)I must say I've noticed an uptick in people appearing here and in other online places, demanding instant information, telling everyone right off the bat "I don't want to hear any discussion or options -- just direct answers!" Which shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what "FORUM" means, not to mention a lack of good manners.
While I do agree with the first part of your (copied above) statement completely I can't for the second part of it. Why would I let some post that is truly misleading hang in some topic without a reply??? I mean when I (think to) have the right answer because I was there, walking it, took GPS tracks etc.?... It is always important to let all members--even those with less experience and knowledge--speak their truth without immediately correcting them....
While I do agree with the first part of your (copied above) statement completely I can't for the second part of it. Why would I let some post that is truly misleading hang in some topic without a reply??? I mean when I (think to) have the right answer because I was there, walking it, took GPS tracks etc.?
Maybe it's sometimes seen as "undermining" somebody else's comment but it really isn't. It's just getting things straight. I remember not too far ago I was accused to make comments on particular route based only on Google maps. Well, I walked that route and the Google maps link I provided just proved that I was right and the other poster wasn't. Both (all ours) posts was removed by mods and as a consequence future pilgrims were left without the information. Is that really helpful? Oh, yes, I immediately corrected the previous post @CaminoDebrita
In general what I wanted to say even before your post was that sometimes getting things straight (facts) isn't really some kind of quarreling or fighting. For me personally that's a bonus of this forum.
Wish you all a nice day
So, here's the thing, Kinky. You and I have had NUMEROUS disagreements on the forum about many particulars -- Levante, Sanabres, Invierno, etc. But we have never gotten nasty or snarky with each other. We were talking about facts, not opinions, not feelings. We went back and forth about the exit from Lalin or the way in or out of Puente Domingo Florez until we found the right answer. But what Deb is talking about, I think, are things that don't have right answers. For instance, you and I don't argue about whether it is "better" to sleep in Bendueños or in Pajares, that's an opinion, we each have our own. If you say Bendueños and I say Pajares, I don't need to go on and on and on to show that I am right and you are wrong.While I do agree with the first part of your (copied above) statement completely I can't for the second part of it. Why would I let some post that is truly misleading hang in some topic without a reply??? I mean when I (think to) have the right answer because I was there, walking it, took GPS tracks etc.?
Maybe it's sometimes seen as "undermining" somebody else's comment but it really isn't. It's just getting things straight. I remember not too far ago I was accused to make comments on particular route based only on Google maps. Well, I walked that route and the Google maps link I provided just proved that I was right and the other poster wasn't. Both (all ours) posts was removed by mods and as a consequence future pilgrims were left without the information. Is that really helpful? Oh, yes, I immediately corrected the previous post @CaminoDebrita
In general what I wanted to say even before your post was that sometimes getting things straight (facts) isn't really some kind of quarreling or fighting. For me personally that's a bonus of this forum.
Wish you all a nice day
Sadly perhaps it seems to be fraying at the edges.Collectively, we seem to understand the value of kindness, just as on the actual road - and lift each other up. Wonderful. So touched by this small manifestation of community....
A lovely dovetailing of spiritual traditions! Thank you for sharing this.“Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself “Is is true?”
At the second gate ask, “Is it necessary?”
At the third gate ask, “Is it kind?”
A lovely dovetailing of spiritual traditions! Thank you for sharing this.
Buddhist guidelines for skillful speech only add one thing -
Is it at the right time?
(IOW, is the person able receive/hear the words. If what you want to says is true, useful and kind, but if you don't have the sense the other party is able to let whatever it is in...don't waste your breath. A good reflection before hitting 'Post Reply,' and an art in itself.)
I am really shocked too!It shocked me too, @ Kanga.
To be clear, it was a bit above Cizur, not in town.
The morning wave out of Pamplona and Cizur hadn't yet completely thinned out, which made the lack of response either more or less understandable, depending on how you look at it.
But to have people 'rubbernecking' as they walked by, without pausing in their conversation? It was very strange.
Perhaps the "one-upmanship" someone mentioned is a misinterpretation of trying to correct an error. I recently read a complaint on Facebook about someone "constantly responding with Snopes links" to his/her posts. They weren't talking about me, but I took notice because I often debunk misinformation (though I try to use better sources than Snopes). I try to never be snarky about it, but when something totally false (and sometimes dangerous) already has a thousand shares, I feel complicit if I don't try to prevent it becoming ten thousand. I don't know enough about the Camino to recognize errors here. Although I have noticed that the GPX tracks I downloaded from another site are EXTREMELY inaccurate though the site claims they have been "carefully edited" to correct GPS errors.The Facebook syndrome
Dr,Google for instant gratification and the art of conversation.
I moderate on a website..and there also has been an uptake of wild west ethos thtmat a person can say whatever,whenever and whoever because of entitlement.
Or an internet saying:There is a Sufi saying:
“Before you speak, let your words pass through three gates:
At the first gate, ask yourself “Is is true?”
At the second gate ask, “Is it necessary?”
At the third gate ask, “Is it kind?”
A lovely dovetailing of spiritual traditions! Thank you for sharing this.
Buddhist guidelines for skillful speech only add one thing -
Is it at the right time?
(IOW, is the person able receive/hear the words. If what you want to says is true, useful and kind, but if you don't have the sense the other party is able to let whatever it is in...don't waste your breath. A good reflection before hitting 'Post Reply,' and an art in itself.)
I introduced the word on this thread, and did not misinterpret in that way. In fact, here I am correcting you! But I am taking care to do it respectfullyPerhaps the "one-upmanship" someone mentioned is a misinterpretation of trying to correct an error.
I have to say that I admire you and other "interesting" members who apparently accept moderation and stay around to offer more advice and wisdom. It is easy to recognize that they are committed people who love the Camino and would probably be reasonable and engaging in person, but who don't always show the self-editing skills that would make them more effective as contributors.I have often been on the receiving end of moderator edits, when I have danced too close to the flame.
Yes, well put, and I find the same is true for me.I am learning how to be more creative and less argumentative, whilst making the same point. To that extent, participating in the forum is like a automated class in how to write for a global audience.
One I also like....Or an internet saying:
"Don't assume malice when it could be stupidity"
To which I add:
"Don't assume stupidity when it could be ignorance¹ and
Don't assume ignorance when it could be misunderstanding."
¹Ignorance in its correct meaning of "not knowing"
@VNwalking your story about falling at Cizur Menor does really shock me. Once past Sarria I've seen walkers behave the way they do in any city (i.e. ignoring the fallen) but at Cizur?
From a fridge magnet
"I know you believe that you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure if what you heard is not what I meant"
IMO.
What I meant was that someone trying to correct misinformation can easily seem to be showing off.I introduced the word on this thread, and did not misinterpret in that way.
If helping others with correct information is seen as showing off then I will continue to show off with great enthusiasmWhat I meant was that someone trying to correct misinformation can easily seem to be showing off.
Yes, I understand that. It is why we need to be particularly careful in how our correction is made!What I meant was that someone trying to correct misinformation can easily seem to be showing off.
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