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Is it a "Saunter" or a "Hike"? Our Pilgrimages.......

2020 Camino Guides

Tim Floyd

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances 2017
TDMB 2016
Cotswold Way 2018
I have to laugh, because when I was working to convince my wife to come along with me on the CF I told her “It’s really not a hike. It’s just a long walk.” By day three trudging into Zuberi after the Napoleon, she told me in no uncertain terms that this was a hike! Of course it got better. Finished our saunter 40 days later and had a great time.
 

David Tallan

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
It is a beautiful theory of the origin of the word. Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary, which is pretty authoritative in matters of English etymology, does not agree. In fact, the word does not appear to go back to the middle ages. It dates to the 17th century and originally meant "to wander or travel about aimlessly or unprofitably" which, for me at least, doesn't suit pilgrimage too well.

If we want an alternative to "hike", I would humbly suggest "peregrinate", which is related in etymology to the French, Italian and Spanish verbs "to go on pilgrimage".

What, doesn't everyone keep a copy of the OED in their bedrooms to look up these things?
 

Marcie

Member
Camino(s) past & future
SJPP to Finesterre 2015
VdlP 2017
From Thoreau: “Some, however, would derive the word from sans terre without land or a home, which, therefore, in the good sense, will mean, having no particular home, but equally at home everywhere”.

I’m a saunterr😎
 

David Tallan

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Frances (1989 and 2016), Portugues - from Porto (2018)
The Compact edition obviously. The two-volume version with its own magnifying glass in a little drawer for checking out the very fine print. No true pedant should travel anywhere without it! ;):cool:

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That's the one. I don't bother with the magnifying glass, though. I just look really closely at the page.

But I must admit I am not pedant enough to put it in my backpack when I walk the Camino.
 

KJFSophie

My Way, With Joy !
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2014 & 2015 ),Via San Francesco, Italy (2017 )Camino Portugese (2018 )Camino Ingles(
Any day's section with any incline is a hike ( and sometimes a climb ), and on days that don't require my undivided attention because of terrain, weather, or tricky markings, I guess it would be a saunter. Each pilgrimage route has its own variety of trails and challenges ( and applicable coordinating cuss words ) .I most recently walked the Camino Portuguese, and I considered that a 'mosey'. I've discovered I enjoy the mosey most. I'll be walking the Camino Ingles this Sept ( short route this year because of health and time constraints )...I'm hoping it's a doozie of a mosey.
 

t2andreo

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
Voluntario: 2014 - 2019
It is a beautiful theory of the origin of the word. Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary, which is pretty authoritative in matters of English etymology, does not agree. In fact, the word does not appear to go back to the middle ages. It dates to the 17th century and originally meant "to wander or travel about aimlessly or unprofitably" which, for me at least, doesn't suit pilgrimage too well.

If we want an alternative to "hike", I would humbly suggest "peregrinate", which is related in etymology to the French, Italian and Spanish verbs "to go on pilgrimage".

What, doesn't everyone keep a copy of the OED in their bedrooms to look up these things?
Too many syllables... The chosen word must flow smoothly from the lips... the syllables should be rhythmic or smooth...
 

Finisterre

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Sarria 2001,
Porto 2006,
Valenca 2008,
Finisterre 2010,
SJdPP 2012,
Tui 2014.

No plans to return, yet.
considering the noises I make, to mooch?
 

Terry W

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
August 2017
April 2018
April 2019
It is a casual stroll into a beautiful village, it is a wine outside a cafe at dusk, it is freindships that will last forever. It is also a gut busting climb, decents that could break or ankle and a sweat soaked body lying on your bunk at three thirty in the afternoon wishing you were dead.
Hope I havn't put any one off.:);):eek:
 

Peter Fransiscus

Be proud of who you are.
Camino(s) past & future
All that we are is the result of what we have thought.
It is a casual stroll into a beautiful village, it is a wine outside a cafe at dusk, it is freindships that will last forever. It is also a gut busting climb, decents that could break or ankle and a sweat soaked body lying on your bunk at three thirty in the afternoon wishing you were dead.
Hope I havn't put any one off.:);):eek:
😟🤐
 

AlwynWellington

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
please see signature
It is a beautiful theory of the origin of the word. Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary, which is pretty authoritative in matters of English etymology, does not agree.
Even more beautiful @David Tallan , is that John Muir, a Scot who pioneered outdoor pursuits in his home country and in western north America, most probably had not heard the the OED. Nor, it would seem, had the OED heard of John Muir.

I elect for John Muir's explanation as it is quite related to what we do (and bugger the experts).

Thanks to @HalfDomeOrBust for bringing this to our attention.
 

jmcarp

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances, 2013
Camino del Norte a Chimayó (USA), 2015
Camino Portugues, 2017
The Compact edition obviously. The two-volume version with its own magnifying glass in a little drawer for checking out the very fine print. No true pedant should travel anywhere without it! ;):cool:

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I suppose that means you have both volumes in your backpack while on Camino?
 

Bradypus

Antediluvian
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
I suppose that means you have both volumes in your backpack while on Camino?
No - I am only a half-hearted pedant and also far too lazy. I walk quiet routes in quiet seasons and hardly meet anyone to practice on. So I leave the dictionaries at home and make up for my slacking when I get back.
 

davebugg

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (2017)
Camino Frances (2018)
Camino Ingles (2019)
No - I am only a half-hearted pedant and also far too lazy. I walk quiet routes in quiet seasons and hardly meet anyone to practice on. So I leave the dictionaries at home and make up for my slacking when I get back.
No need to leave it behind.... You could always get the OED app for your smartphone. I'd bet the data is a bit lighter than paper :)
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Francis (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017) SJPDP-SDC
Camino Norte 2018
Pilgrims Office Volunteer 2018
Well, well!! Lots of interesting thoughts on this thread. Every post seems valid and has a good point!!!
 

dougfitz

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Spain: Mar 2010, Apr 2014, May/Jun 2016. Norway/Sweden: 2012, 2018. Other: 2011 (2019)
What, doesn't everyone keep a copy of the OED in their bedrooms to look up these things?
Not in the bedroom, but somewhere in the house there are the Shorter, Illustrated and first Edition of the Australia Pocket OEDs, as well as two Concise Macquarie Dictionarys (both 1st and 2nd Eds) and a paperback edition of The University English Dictionary. As a child, my family relied on a Webster's, a wonderful tome!

As @davebugg notes, there are apps and other web resources. For those of us who delight in both the highways and byways of the English language and its many varieties, we are never far from a good dictionary, thesaurus or similar resource.
 

Bradypus

Antediluvian
Camino(s) past & future
Too many and too often!
As a child, my family relied on a Webster's, a wonderful tome!
I agree. Way back in another century I was part of a school quiz team and we won a three-volume set of Webster's each as the runners-up in an inter-school competition. Still here on my shelves. The first prize was a long weekend in Copenhagen plus a full set of the Encyclopedia Britannica. Would have kept me out of mischief for a while :)
 

susanawee

susanawee
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances-(2013/14/18
Camino Salvado Perth -(2015)
West Highland Way (2016)
Lyon France 2017
Not in the bedroom, but somewhere in the house there are the Shorter, Illustrated and first Edition of the Australia Pocket OEDs, as well as two Concise Macquarie Dictionarys (both 1st and 2nd Eds) and a paperback edition of The University English Dictionary. As a child, my family relied on a Webster's, a wonderful tome!

As @davebugg notes, there are apps and other web resources. For those of us who delight in both the highways and byways of the English language and its many varieties, we are never far from a good dictionary, thesaurus or similar resource.
Sounds just like my house Doug and, ditto on the growing up with Websters...lol
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances 2017
It is a beautiful theory of the origin of the word. Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary, which is pretty authoritative in matters of English etymology, does not agree. In fact, the word does not appear to go back to the middle ages. It dates to the 17th century and originally meant "to wander or travel about aimlessly or unprofitably" which, for me at least, doesn't suit pilgrimage too well.

If we want an alternative to "hike", I would humbly suggest "peregrinate", which is related in etymology to the French, Italian and Spanish verbs "to go on pilgrimage".

What, doesn't everyone keep a copy of the OED in their bedrooms to look up these things?
By extension, in Spain, we pilgrims are known as Peregrinos.
 

susanawee

susanawee
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances-(2013/14/18
Camino Salvado Perth -(2015)
West Highland Way (2016)
Lyon France 2017
By extension, in Spain, we pilgrims are known as Peregrinos.
Wilsti I do agree in some ways with 'saunter', maybe not beig the right word in this discussion, I would just like to add here....So many of or newer members here, actually Don't think of Walking the Camino, which ever route they choose to walk, as a Pilgrimage, or of themselves as 'Pilgrims' and therefore, perhaps Perigrinate, is also the incorrect word for what They are doing. A goodly portion of walkers who I connected with in April and May last year where walking for other reasons and had very little, if any, knowledge of the History or other traditions associated with their walk. Just sayng here so 'please don't shoot me dwn in flames'. Cheers.
 

lunna

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
frances; lisboa-muxia; norte+bayonne; vdlp; le puy; voie d'arles+aragones; geneva to ales
I always refer to this as a stroll.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Frances: September - October 2016
Porto > Santiago - April 2018
Move to Astorga (2019)
I often found myself saying out loud or to myself that the Camino is just like life. It contains ups and downs, opportunity to laugh at oneself as well as with others; times to feel urges to give up, to give to another, to take from another. For me and many others the journey is more about making forward progress in understanding ones life; remembering the future. Just do it.
 

4 Eyes

Member
Camino(s) past & future
CF from SJPP 14, VDLP from Seville 15, DN&P from Irun 16, Portuguese from Lisbon 17, CF from SJPP 18
"The etymology of the word saunter features in an essay by Henry Thoreau (‘Walking’ published 1862) where the same reference to the Holy Land is made."

"Thoreau’s explanation for the word saunter: from à la Saint[e] Terre, describing pilgrims on their way to the Holy Land. There goes a Saint[e] Terrer, a saunterer, a Holy Lander. But it was a false etymology, apparently spread from a book called Country Words, by S. and E. Ray, 1691. Although since the origins of the word were obscure, it might in fact be the true story."

"The book is John Ray’s Collection of South and East-Country Words (1691)"

"The word is used (and explained as indeed referring to the Crusaders going to the Holy Land) in A Political History of the Devil by Daniel Defoe (pub 1726)."

I found the above information on line. So looks like John Muir read Thoreau, but not the OED. Thoreau is a good read.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances 2017
How wonderful that Thoreau and Muir played out their respective roles in life as bookends from opposite sides of America, but with the same aim: to educate, enlighten, and compel enduring love for Nature in all her depth, breadth, and beauty. So saunter on, brave pilgrims, saunter on, or stroll, or promenade, or walk about, or peregrinate, or hike, or mosey, or...
 

mikebet

Member
Camino(s) past & future
SJPdP to Pamplona (2016); Baiona to Santiago (2018); Sarria to Santiago (2018)
...or perambulate.
 

dougfitz

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Spain: Mar 2010, Apr 2014, May/Jun 2016. Norway/Sweden: 2012, 2018. Other: 2011 (2019)
According to my trusty OED, "pram" (in the sense of a baby carriage) is just a vulgar and colloquial abbreviation of "perambulator". ;-)
Then you would have learned the history of both perambulator and pram are far older than their association with baby carriages in the late 19th century.
 

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