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Kiwi-family

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Camino(s) past & future
Past: (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)-Frances, Baztan, San Salvador, Primitivo, Fisterra,VdlP, Madrid
#1
First adventure: having visa expire on the last day of passport validity was a problem. They weren't going to let me fly! After waiting quietly and patiently while the managing guy made enquiries I decided to politely argue my case! Law requires three month’s validity which I have. That October has 31 days (when I leave Spain) and January only has 30 (when passport expires) does not change that it’s three months! Thankfully they have overridden the system and I'm flying. Had to promise I have funds for a return ticket if Madrid denies entry!!! Hopefully that won’t happen, but I won’t be totally relaxed until I get through customs at the other end!
I was going to be forum-free from the time I left home....but I had to share this @davebugg type final panic!!!
 
Camino(s) past & future
Francés ('14/'15)
St Olav/Francés ('16)
Baztanés/Francés ('17)
Ingles ('18)
#2
:eek::eek::eek:
Wow.
That feeling in the pit of your stomach...now I have it.;)
May have a very safe and easy journey, and breeze through immigration in Madrid, Rachel...
I hope we do not hear from you until you've completed a muy buen camino!!!
 
Camino(s) past & future
'Portuguese,Frances,Norte,Salvador/primitivo,Le puy, Inglés, CDM, Invierno, Fin/Mux, VDLP spring19
#4
Wow... there’s always that unexpected something out of left field!
We’ll all be waiting to see that you’re on the ground in Spain

I have no doubt Rachel, that ‘you shall overcome!’

Buen Camino
Annie
 

Rich1

Active Member
Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances (May 2015)
Camino Frances (2016-2018)
A complicated Camino from Madrid (Aug/Sep 18)
#8
A week before my first Camino. I managed to wash and destroy my passport in the washing machine. A week of extreme stress, anxiety and rushing around followed. I was told 10 days for a new passport but received in after 6 - the day before I was due to fly :)

I feel your pain...
 
Camino(s) past & future
C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
Voluntario: 2014 to 2018
#9
I always apply for a new passport well in advance of the expiry date. I simply submit my application during my "off season," from October through February. This way, I am ready to go for April.

The resulting overlapping expiry dates are a small cost to pay for stress reduction. As a retired immigration officer (for over 20 years) I well understand the vagaries of crossing international borders. I also know well the international laws regarding passport expiry, and automatic (invisible) extension courtesies abong friendly countries.

Hope this helps.
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015 SJPD to Burgos
2017 Leon to Santiago
Pamplona to Santiago Mar. 2018
Burgos - SCDC (Oct 18)
#10
I always apply for a new passport well in advance of the expiry date. I simply submit my application during my "off season," from October through February. This way, I am ready to go for April.

The resulting overlapping expiry dates are a small cost to pay for stress reduction. As a retired immigration officer (for over 20 years) I well understand the vagaries of crossing international borders. I also know well the international laws regarding passport expiry, and automatic (invisible) extension courtesies abong friendly countries.


I know in USA f your passport expires while overseas One can go to the nearest embassy and renew there. You might want to consider nearest embassy, Kiwi, if that is possible, on your journey, and renewing and possibly preventing a problem getting out of Spain.
 
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#11
They weren't going to let me fly!
I presume it was the airline's computer system that caused the problem? I'm confident that you will be fine, both at the Schengen entry and exit point. You appear to understand the rules! Your passport expires on 30 January 2019 but they are not going to fuss about a single day (31st of January) that's three months away from the intended day of your departure (31 October). Buen camino! :)
 
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Camino(s) past & future
(2003) Francés, (2014) Francés, (2016) Portugués , (2016) Aragonés, (2018) del Norte to Primitivo
#12
What Marbe2 was probably going to write was that the UK system has changed and new passports do not expire 10 years after the earlier passport expires, but 10 years from the date of issue of the new passport. So you could end up paying twice for up to 9 (?) months of travel.
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015 SJPD to Burgos
2017 Leon to Santiago
Pamplona to Santiago Mar. 2018
Burgos - SCDC (Oct 18)
#13
What Marbe2 was probably going to write was that the UK system has changed and new passports do not expire 10 years after the earlier passport expires, but 10 years from the date of issue of the new passport. So you could end up paying twice for up to 9 (?) months of travel.
No. What I was saying, was that there is a NZ embassy in Madrid and maybe contacting them would be helpful before trying toleave the country. Maybe they could issue another passport?
 
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#14
Please don't worry unduly. Leaving Schengen with a New Zealand passport that is still valid for 3 months minus 1 day, as is the case here, is not the problem. The (potential) problem is entering Schengen with a passport that is valid less than 3 months on the intended day of departure (says the law) or less than 6 months on the day of arrival (possible border control practice).

Just believe me about the latter statement. I could explain if pressed and I have Her Majesty's "Maybe there will be a Brexit without a deal but both sides are working hard on securing a negotiated outcome" Government on my side to back me up:cool:.

PS: What has Brexit got to do with a New Zealand passport you may wonder. Without any negotiated deal between the EU and the UK, UK passport holders could end up on the same list as NZ passport holders: so-called third country nationals who are entitled to short visa free stays in the EU. Ain't gonna happen, though. I think. Time to check the validity of your passports just in case!
 
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Camino(s) past & future
Camino Frances: September 24 - October 31 (2015); February/March (2019)
#15
I always apply for a new passport well in advance of the expiry date. I simply submit my application during my "off season," from October through February. This way, I am ready to go for April.

The resulting overlapping expiry dates are a small cost to pay for stress reduction. As a retired immigration officer (for over 20 years) I well understand the vagaries of crossing international borders. I also know well the international laws regarding passport expiry, and automatic (invisible) extension courtesies abong friendly countries.

Hope this helps.
Some countries require six months remaining time on a passport for entry, so I set a reminder on my iPhone for nine months before passport expiration to renew the passport. I agree, it makes no sense to cut it close.
 
Camino(s) past & future
Fall 2016 Camino Frances to Leon
Fall 2017 Camino Frances to Finisterre
#16
Kiwi-family, my prayer today is that we don't hear from you on this forum until you are on your way home after walking (unless of course it's a note to tell us that you cleared through Spain).
 

Kiwi-family

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Camino(s) past & future
Past: (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)-Frances, Baztan, San Salvador, Primitivo, Fisterra,VdlP, Madrid
#17
Another twelve hours and I’ll know.
Travel agent assured me it was certainly cutting it fine but still legal so I went ahead. Next time will do it differently!!! Just as my father-in-law said I should have;-)
 

Kiwi-family

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Camino(s) past & future
Past: (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)-Frances, Baztan, San Salvador, Primitivo, Fisterra,VdlP, Madrid
#18
Oh I’m a plonker - I was thinking January HAD 30 DAYS. I deserve TO BE SENT HOME BUT HOPE FOR GRACE. OOPS sorry about caps - flight is boarding
 
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C/F: 2013, 2014
C/M: 2016
C/P: 2015, 2017
C/I: 2018
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#23
I am well aware of the six-month rule on application for admission. But, in practice, there are (invisible) automatic revalidation bilateral agreements in effect between most first-world countries to cover these paper-thin exception cases, as well as the well established use of professional discretion (optional by the officer in front of you or their superior) in border-line caes.

Realistically, and if I were the officer in the booth, one only has to look at the rest of the passport in and out stamps to know that Kiwi follows all the laws and always departs on time.;)

I hate drama... That is why I apply early enough to always arrive at my destination with a new passport. Knowing what I do, I would never cut it so close.

That said, I am enjoying this drama play out and am thrilled that Kiwi was admitted to Spain. Personally, I eschew drama in my life...

Hope this helps.
 

Marbe2

Active member
Camino(s) past & future
2015 SJPD to Burgos
2017 Leon to Santiago
Pamplona to Santiago Mar. 2018
Burgos - SCDC (Oct 18)
#24
I’m here. The story will be on my blog in a few hours!
Seven pilgrims at the mass today so it looks like the Madrid is about to experience its first bed race!!
Glad all is currently well!
 

Kiwi-family

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Camino(s) past & future
Past: (2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)-Frances, Baztan, San Salvador, Primitivo, Fisterra,VdlP, Madrid
#25
@t2andreo this was a genuine mistake on my part. The travel agent looked at our passports and said “Yours expires on the last day of January and you want to leave on the last day of October - that’s cutting it fine but within the letter of the law. (Kiwis only need 3 months on their passport after they plan to leave)
What she - and I and my husband and father-in-law and kids all failed to see was that January 30 is not the last day! We even checked it a dozen times!!
Never again.
 

KinkyOne

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Camino(s) past & future
I'am not perfect, but I'm always myself!!!
#27
@t2andreo this was a genuine mistake on my part. The travel agent looked at our passports and said “Yours expires on the last day of January and you want to leave on the last day of October - that’s cutting it fine but within the letter of the law. (Kiwis only need 3 months on their passport after they plan to leave)
What she - and I and my husband and father-in-law and kids all failed to see was that January 30 is not the last day! We even checked it a dozen times!!
Never again.
Good that everything is/will be OK.
For checking the days of the month you don't even need a computer or a calendar. You make fists, put them together linear and count knuckles from either side. Knuckles have 31 days and those between knuckles have 30 (or less in case of february) :)
 

ksam

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Portuguese '08, Frances '11, del Norte '14, Invierno '16, Ingles '17, Primitivo October 2018
#28
Camino(s) past & future
Roncesvalles-SdC Apr-Jun 2015
Roncesvalles-Sarria Sep-Oct 2017
(2019: Planning to return!)
#29
I’m here. The story will be on my blog in a few hours!
Seven pilgrims at the mass today so it looks like the Madrid is about to experience its first bed race!!
Phew!!! Very relieved to hear you made it! We've had fingers crossed here, so this is excellent news to wake up to!!

Buen Camino!
 
#30
First adventure: having visa expire on the last day of passport validity was a problem. They weren't going to let me fly! After waiting quietly and patiently while the managing guy made enquiries I decided to politely argue my case! Law requires three month’s validity which I have. That October has 31 days (when I leave Spain) and January only has 30 (when passport expires) does not change that it’s three months! Thankfully they have overridden the system and I'm flying. Had to promise I have funds for a return ticket if Madrid denies entry!!! Hopefully that won’t happen, but I won’t be totally relaxed until I get through customs at the other end!
I was going to be forum-free from the time I left home....but I had to share this @davebugg type final panic!!!
Not sure of timing or rules in Kiwi Land but here in Canada, if I have a plane ticket in hand and there is a question of whether my passport will be valid at the end of my journey, I can get it updated usually within 24 hours, removing all concerns over passport validity on your trip.

Hope this helps.
 

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