Jeff Crawley
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PS - could that possibly be a rice cooker hanging around the younger pilgrim's neck?
Do you really bring one on your caminos?Quite likely. Every Pilgrim needs one
Almost! It blew up in trainingDo you really bring one on your caminos?
Maybe a small lantern?A little bit of whimsy for you:
My daughter was looking up a medieval reference the other day and came upon this picture:
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It looks like the taller pilgrim has two scallop shells on his hat - perhaps a second time on the Camino?
The bag he is wearing is quite interesting too - she suggests it is a Martebo sack (named after a church in Sweden where it can be seen on a stone carving). There would be a second compartment on the pilgrim's back to balance the weight. Basically a larger version of the double ended market wallet (the IKEA Frakta bag of the Middle Ages)
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so some good came out of three year's study of medieval history after all!
PS - could that possibly be a rice cooker hanging around the younger pilgrim's neck?
Very observant. While examining the pictures for the blisters I noticed that they are being followed by impersonators.Poor chap could do with some Compeed by the looks of it
I noticed that, too, and thought...why is there a duplicate pair of little people, yet that man isn't wearing sandals.Very observant. While examining the pictures for the blisters I noticed that they are being followed by impersonators.
Where is this picture from, anyway?
It's interesting that they are both wearing scallop shells. Was the shell a symbol of all pilgrimages in the Middle Ages?
It is from a medieval illustrated manuscript about the life and miracles of Saint Louis. The person on the left is a young boy. He is taken on a health pilgrimage to the tomb of Saint Louis in Saint Denis to the north of Paris. The signs on their hats, I think, simply illustrate that they are pilgrims. Not necessarily pilgrims to/from Santiago (I think).
Nothing new under the sun!That white bag around his neck looks like it easily doubled as an infant carrier...similar ones are sold today.
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Indeed! Everything's done under the sun..Nothing new under the sun!
She also tried to fool me with this picture:Where is this picture from, anyway? I am a total art ignoramus, but it looks as if the artist is copying the technique of picture-in-a-picture (or whatever it is called) and the onlookers' view as was used by Velasquez in Las Meninas.
The use certainly seems to have been widespread. I have a replica of a 13th c pewter token the original of which was dug up in London as was this poor soul (which I may have posted before?)It's interesting that they are both wearing scallop shells. Was the shell a symbol of all pilgrimages in the Middle Ages?
Yes indeed, as @Kathar1na s research reveals:@Jeff Crawley, two new thoughts on the image.
1) from both the larger image and, especially, the smaller echo on the top left corner I get the impression the smaller pilgrim is blind. I get that impression from the way the shorter stick (staff) is being used.
2) both pilgrims are wearing skirted tunics or dresses. Good for colder weather at least.
He is blind. The painting serves to illustrate one of the many miracles attributed to Saint Louis aka King Louis IX of France. I cannot decipher the whole text and have not found a transcript, only summaries. The title (in red) says “Another miracle of a blind child” and the boy’s name is mentioned in the third line: “Thomas”.Having studied the picture in detail I tend to support the contention that the smaller pilgrim (maybe a child?) is blind or at least visually impared
The original pilgrim head lamp.Maybe a small lantern?
Actually, they seem to be triplets!While examining the pictures for the blisters I noticed that they are being followed by impersonators.
They certainly are novices at packing those nice ponies. Those bags swinging and banging on the flanks of the horses are going to be very annoying.The curiosity of searching more about this bag led me to a website about trying to experience hunt as in the medieval times which led me to this video of a medieval style pilgrimage :
From memory (I may have a book with some relevant info but can’t get at it right now): By the time this manuscript was produced, ie end of the 15th century, and certainly in art, the scallop shell and similar items simply served to denote a pilgrim on any pilgrimage to anywhere.It's interesting that they are both wearing scallop shells. Was the shell a symbol of all pilgrimages in the Middle Ages?
For readily available information in English regarding the lineage and importance of King Louis IX see this Wikipedia article.He is blind. The painting serves to illustrate one of the many miracles attributed to Saint Louis aka King Louis IX of France. I cannot decipher the whole text and have not found a transcript, only summaries. The title (in red) says “Another miracle of a blind child” and the boy’s name is mentioned in the third line: “Thomas”.
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Thank you for that - most enjoyable!The curiosity of searching more about this bag led me to a website about trying to experience hunt as in the medieval times which led me to this video of a medieval style pilgrimage :
Thank you for that. My (daughter) Katherine says it looks to her like a pilgrim's progress: the man (father?) and boy leave the mother at the door of their home in the first scene and make their way in stages to the shrine.From memory (I may have a book with some relevant info but can’t get at it right now): By the time this manuscript was produced, ie end of the 15th century, and certainly in art, the scallop shell and similar items simply served to denote a pilgrim on any pilgrimage to anywhere.
There are some fascinating details in this miniature. In the right part, one can see how the boy (in the top corner) kneels at the saint’s shrine, with relics laid out on it, and he touches his eye with something. Not sure what the scene in the lower part means; it is perhaps the last of the five scenes of the story. The adult man who accompanies and guides the boy appears to have foot sores or wounds in the main scene on the left and appears to have cut holes into his shoes.
The link below allows you to zoom into the image. The story and images are a strong reminder of the world of difference between life and thinking/mindset 600-800 years ago and today.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000784s/f207
This is really intriguing. Does your daughter know date: location of this image? Is that a wood spoon in the center sticking out? In all the background images all plgrims same and accompanied by shorter: younger(?) one carrying casket of water or wine ?A little bit of whimsy for you:
My daughter was looking up a medieval reference the other day and came upon this picture:
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It looks like the taller pilgrim has two scallop shells on his hat - perhaps a second time on the Camino?
The bag he is wearing is quite interesting too - she suggests it is a Martebo sack (named after a church in Sweden where it can be seen on a stone carving). There would be a second compartment on the pilgrim's back to balance the weight. Basically a larger version of the double ended market wallet (the IKEA Frakta bag of the Middle Ages)
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so some good came out of three year's study of medieval history after all!
PS - could that possibly be a rice cooker hanging around the younger pilgrim's neck?
I remember a few years ago someone posted a picture with a few of the bawdy, naughty pilgrim souvenirs from the Middle Ages; it was quite a surprise.The rest of the passage goes into rather bawdy details of the kind of pilgrim souvenirs avaiable in the Middle Ages - quite frankly astonishing!
This article suggests that such images were used to ward off disease or "the evil eye". They certainly seem strange to the modern religious mind!I remember a few years ago someone posted a picture with a few of the bawdy, naughty pilgrim souvenirs from the Middle Ages; it was quite a surprise.
My Katherine plucked it out of an image search - we were having a long chat about medieval pilgrimages when I stayed with her last weekend - but our @Kathar1na posted a link above #28 where you can scroll through a whole book of similar works. Do take a look, it's fascinating.This is really intriguing. Does your daughter know date: location of this image? Is that a wood spoon in the center sticking out? In all the background images all plgrims same and accompanied by shorter: younger(?) one carrying casket of water or wine ?
I tried and would like to. So far I followed and email if some w add y to see and you explain appreciate itMy Katherine plucked it out of an image search - we were having a long chat about medieval pilgrimages when I stayed with her last weekend - but our @Kathar1na posted a link above #28 where you can scroll through a whole book of similar works. Do take a look, it's fascinating.
- and made from wool, good material to copy in modern pilgrimage...2) both pilgrims are wearing skirted tunics or dresses. Good for colder weather at least.
Yes, indeed.and made from wool, good material to copy in modern pilgrimage..
Yes. If they want to go medieval, it's up to them. Don't make horses go medieval too. And I don't believe medieval people didn't have more thoughtful equipment for their horses.They certainly are novices at packing those nice ponies. Those bags swinging and banging on the flanks of the horses are going to be very annoying.
A friend of mine (along with a few of his friends) did Camino a few years ago in Medieval garb, including leather turnshoes.
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You're welcome! I don't know how well I would do in leather turnshoes on Camino, they don't have a lot of grip to the soles, although I guess you could reinforce the soles with horizontal leather strips to prevent slipping (historically accurate). A nice sheepskin lining would give some cushioning as well. The rest of the outfit is comfortable and wearable.So I am not alone in my fascination with experiencing the Camino as a medieval pilgrim?
Really loved this, thank you!
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