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@David I noticed that when Efren Gonzales used a trailer on the Via Francigena he often pushed it rather than pulling it. Do you have this option on your new trailer? It might be helpful some of the time.
The jungle bag looks a nice bit of kit but it's certainly heavy. I have used an Alpkit Cloud Cover and like it very much. (Currently I use it over my knees on cold evenings). It weighs 450g and has a pocket it can stuff into. Ethically sourced down too.
If you are wearing your knee brace it won't be weight on your back
Nice minimalist kit list, I need to review and cull mine!
I take your points but just to be clear the Cloud Cover is a down blanket with a draw cord top and bottom and a set of poppers along it's length. I generally create a foot box and leave the rest entirely open. I don't like mummy bags either.Hi - thanks, but pushing a trailer is just about the worst thing you can do with one, sorry. When it is pulled it bounces over imperfections, when it is pushed it is ground into them, also, if you are pushing anything you are using your two hands and arms .. a hip belt trailer just follows behind you wherever you go, leaving your hands free. Also, he was using the Radical Design Wheelie, which is specifically designed to be a perfect hip belt trailer - I have no idea why he would have decided to push it
That bag looks sweet, down, ethical too - but sadly not for me - I just cannot cope with the feeling of being trapped that a mummy style bag gives me, especially if I turn over in my sleep - the Jungle opens fully, which I really like, one can even have side closed and end open (I have hot feet). Though I do see that yours has a drawcord each end. Also, I like to snuggle my head right into a bag so it wouldn't be long enough for me, unless I curled up my head would stick out! If the weather was seriously hot enough I would leave the bag behind and take a big rectangular fully opening bag liner, silk probably.
Ah, nowadays I can go long periods sometimes without having to wear the brace ... and then, one day .. all goes pear and I have to wear it for some time ...
For a summer month Camino (and even an October Camino), I found just the sleeping liner sufficient. You can also save weight by leaving the solar charger at home. It may work brilliantly at keeping the phone charged, but the outlets where you sleep for the night will probably work almost as well and sufficiently.Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
here's a radical thought - please don't be offended. I hiked at age 77, 2 hip replacements, etc. I carried a small day pack and used transport for larger pack - worked beautifully - only had to carry it all 3 times (it is still good to stay lean - I kept my large pack at 13 pounds)Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Ditch the sleeping bag. Liner is fine.Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Thank you for reminding me of the items I also need to bring. Medical bandages and scissors and duct tape strips need to be added in my stuffHi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Personally I would lose the solar panel and just charge up at the albergueHi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
My thought, too. Especially base layers. Ymmv, but I find merino wool is not itchy.How about merano wool. Thats not syntetic and weight less than cotton
Pull always trumps push, especially on soft surfaces. That's why cars have front-wheel drive.Hi - thanks, but pushing a trailer is just about the worst thing you can do with one, sorry. When it is pulled it bounces over imperfections, when it is pushed it is ground into them, also, if you are pushing anything you are using your two hands and arms .. a hip belt trailer just follows behind you wherever you go, leaving your hands free. Also, he was using the Radical Design Wheelie, which is specifically designed to be a perfect hip belt trailer - I have no idea why he would have decided to push it
That bag looks sweet, down, ethical too - but sadly not for me - I just cannot cope with the feeling of being trapped that a mummy style bag gives me, especially if I turn over in my sleep - the Jungle opens fully, which I really like, one can even have side closed and end open (I have hot feet). Though I do see that yours has a drawcord each end. Also, I like to snuggle my head right into a bag so it wouldn't be long enough for me, unless I curled up my head would stick out! If the weather was seriously hot enough I would leave the bag behind and take a big rectangular fully opening bag liner, silk probably.
Ah, nowadays I can go long periods sometimes without having to wear the brace ... and then, one day .. all goes pear and I have to wear it for some time ...
That is about as good as it gets.Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
I agree re the liner but the positives re the solar panel are that it is flat and very thin so pins to the pack and weighs less than a wall charger and also means one never has to scramble for a socket nor leave the phone for hours by itself with strangers passing by.For a summer month Camino (and even an October Camino), I found just the sleeping liner sufficient. You can also save weight by leaving the solar charger at home. It may work brilliantly at keeping the phone charged, but the outlets where you sleep for the night will probably work almost as well and sufficiently.
What brand is your solar charger?I agree re the liner but the positives re the solar panel are that it is flat and very thin so pins to the pack and weighs less than a wall charger and also means one never has to scramble for a socket nor leave the phone for hours by itself with strangers passing by.
And you never put the cart before the horse!Pull always trumps push, especially on soft surfaces. That's why cars have front-wheel drive.
Re-read your post, and I see you are looking at a hot weather camino, so I agree with the others who have posted above –thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022
You do realize, don’t you, that you are carrying two heavy items “just in case you need them”? Hmm, maybe we should thrash that one out . . . ?I don't use poles but I carry one for if my duff knee gives out and I have to put the brace on, and also to convert myself from biped to tripod on slippery slopes. Also, only wear the brace when I need to, so pole and brace are 'load' until needed.
You do realize, don’t you, that you are carrying two heavy items “just in case you need them”? Hmm, maybe we should thrash that one out . . . ?
Fleece? In summer? I walked Sept/October and only used my jacket early mornings in Galicia. I wore a light elastic knee brace- worked wellHi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Exactly what I was recommending.For a summer month Camino (and even an October Camino), I found just the sleeping liner sufficient. You can also save weight by leaving the solar charger at home. It may work brilliantly at keeping the phone charged, but the outlets where you sleep for the night will probably work almost as well and sufficiently.
@David, hard to believe all the Caminos you have walked with the seriousness of your knee injury.My knee - I had a motorcycle accident when verr young, took the bike over the top of a Pontiac (too long to go round when it pulled out) and the right knee was opened completely up and they stuck it all back together again. Was registered disabled for eight years (oh, and because of the arm too) .. so it is a specific trauma that cannot be made better than it is .. elasticated bandages don't help, nor taping, only a serious brace with metal hinges either side that force the knee to only move forwards and backwards, without any 'swivelling' - is an old trauma and when it goes, well, it really goes - sorry.
Fleece? In summer? I walked Sept/October and only used my jacket early mornings in Galicia.
I bought a second hand cashmere/merino blend jumper for my first camino. Didn't regret spending those ten Euros! Leightweight, warm, and feels soooo nice. For summer, a cashmere cardigan is my preferred choice now, which I wear over a light merino shirt when it's cold.There is nothing warmer and lighter and more luxurious than a cashmere sweater to put on in the evenings.
If you're carrying a hussif, AKA travel size sewing kit, the tiny scissors in that is just fine for cutting the tape...and gauze...but then, I use paper tape as the fabric based medical tape lets the warmed up glue go thru the fabric and into the interior surface of the sock.Thank you for reminding me of the items I also need to bring. Medical bandages and scissors and duct tape strips need to be added in my stuff
Weight seems to be an osession for Camino walkers. I have been under pack for 50 years carrying upto 40kgs and regardless of my age I notice that I settle into the weight and develop the capacity to carry it. (Admittedly the heaviest I have carried in the last 5 years is 25kgs but up some scary slopes. I was 66 at the time.) So, perhaps a kg here or there or even 2 is not an issue as a few days into the walk we will naturally step up to the mark. If not there is always the post. Please interpret my comments to eclude ongoig injuries - then the extra kgs probably do make a difference. You will only really know when you get to the end. What do you think?Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Maybe we "will naturally step up to the mark". But maybe not. It seems to me that minimizing the pack weight is a better solution than the post, if possible.So, perhaps a kg here or there or even 2 is not an issue as a few days into the walk we will naturally step up to the mark. If not there is always the post.
I'm struggling at the same point, minus water, a couple of snacks, and what is in my small belly pack. One item I'm struggling with is my good poncho that was recommended some years ago here, vs my uber light Black Diamond stretch rain jacket and rain pants. Carrying both seems silly, but going the first of April I'm sort of anticipating lots of rain, where the poncho would keep things dryer? It is definitely heavier though. I keep shaving off, then remember something. I've got three+ months to play this fun game, so I hope I get it right as I go along. I'm looking forward to seeing how you fare.Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
@Frank Wortley, I think you are right about members being obsessed with weight, even to the point of becoming overly robust in proffering advice on the matter. That said, it seems to me that there is a trade-off between how fast, and far, one wants to walk, and how much one is carrying, and that is before considering age, fitness or injury.Weight seems to be an osession for Camino walkers. I have been under pack for 50 years carrying upto 40kgs and regardless of my age I notice that I settle into the weight and develop the capacity to carry it. (Admittedly the heaviest I have carried in the last 5 years is 25kgs but up some scary slopes. I was 66 at the time.) So, perhaps a kg here or there or even 2 is not an issue as a few days into the walk we will naturally step up to the mark. If not there is always the post. Please interpret my comments to eclude ongoig injuries - then the extra kgs probably do make a difference. You will only really know when you get to the end. What do you think?
Which one? And given @David has already expressed his views about mummy style sleeping bags, is this going to be an option for him?Check out this 3-season ultralight sleeping bag, 546 g, from Feathered Friends. I took it on my 2018 Camino Frances and it served me well for the freezing nights between SJPP and Pamplona, the very hot evenings in the Meseta and damp chilly nights going to Finisterre.
If your comments exclude ongoing injuries then they may not apply to David, who posed the question, as he has mentioned a couple of hernias and a knee injury. The extra kgs may make a difference for him in that context.Weight seems to be an osession for Camino walkers. I have been under pack for 50 years carrying upto 40kgs and regardless of my age I notice that I settle into the weight and develop the capacity to carry it. (Admittedly the heaviest I have carried in the last 5 years is 25kgs but up some scary slopes. I was 66 at the time.) So, perhaps a kg here or there or even 2 is not an issue as a few days into the walk we will naturally step up to the mark. If not there is always the post. Please interpret my comments to eclude ongoig injuries - then the extra kgs probably do make a difference. You will only really know when you get to the end. What do you think?
@Aloha From Kauai, check out both and see which does the better job. You have the perfect laboratory right in your backyard. Go up to Koke'e on a rainy day with your pack and whichever set-up you want to test. If you walk from the end of the road on the Pihea Trail as far as the overlook and back, that'll be a good approximation of Spain on a rainy April day. (Except the mud in Spain is different. More annoyingly sticky.Carrying both seems silly, but going the first of April I'm sort of anticipating lots of rain, where the poncho would keep things dryer? It is definitely heavier though
Very true dougfitz. I just wanted to suggest we can get too concerned and that within reason, injury, pace etc. the little extra weight does not matter as done right we build up strength the meet the situation. I liked your balance and thanks for your response. Stay safe. Frank@Frank Wortley, I think you are right about members being obsessed with weight, even to the point of becoming overly robust in proffering advice on the matter. That said, it seems to me that there is a trade-off between how fast, and far, one wants to walk, and how much one is carrying, and that is before considering age, fitness or injury.
The saying 'to walk far, carry less' is apt, but so general as to offer little practical value. The 10% pack weight rule of thumb is interpreted so many different ways that one almost needs to explain exactly what you think it does and doesn't cover to have a sensible discussion based on it. And 'from the skin out' advocates, and I am one, seem to be consistently misunderstood when it comes to the value of an alternative approach to this.
My observation is that many walkers that I have seen aren't good at establishing a safe, comfortable, walking speed for themselves. I know that I found it difficult on my first Camino, and ran the risk of injuring myself keeping up with a friend who was walking at a much faster pace than I could comfortably sustain. A couple of years later, I met a woman whom I suspect had injured herself trying to keep up with a much faster walking partner. They eventually split up and walked apart. They both made it to the end of the St Olavsleden at Trondheim, just a couple of days apart. But by then they weren't talking to each other! That's not an outcome anyone needs.
So yes, you can add a kilo or two - I don't think there is any sharply defined point where one is carrying too much. But when I do that, I can no longer keep up the same pace as I might if I were carrying less.
Surely you realize thatIn windy conditions, a poncho will flap about and be impossible to control. A good quality rain jacket is better!
@David, hard to believe all the Caminos you have walked with the seriousness of your knee injury.
On a side note, is your Avatar photo new or have I just missed noticing it for awhile? It's very nice!
Not my experience at all. And anyway, David already has his kit sussed out.In windy conditions, a poncho will flap about and be impossible to control. A good quality rain jacket is better!
Many people.Surely you realize that some people manage very well with their ponchos!
Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now),
Really @David .
I've had hernias both sides ( inguinal ) and now need to get both repaired before my next Camino.
Maybe yours are a different more serious 'variety'.
Seriously though. My surgeon has not stopped me from lifting or carrying.
I've been putting off the repairs for 12 months due to Covid....
I would have thought the trailer would be better than a pack.
Maybe get a second opinion?
@David, hard to believe all the Caminos you have walked with the seriousness of your knee injury.
On a side note, is your Avatar photo new or have I just missed noticing it for awhile? It's very nice!
See me slap my head...duh!@Aloha From Kauai, check out both and see which does the better job. You have the perfect laboratory right in your backyard. Go up to Koke'e on a rainy day with your pack and whichever set-up you want to test. If you walk from the end of the road on the Pihea Trail as far as the overlook and back, that'll be a good approximation of Spain on a rainy April day. (Except the mud in Spain is different. More annoyingly sticky.)
Would you please clarify. Do you mean something like 18 inches by 18 inches, 0.25 square yards? Or something like 18 inches by 36 inches, 0.5 square yards?About 0.5 square yard will do....and it dries very fast.
Hey, Man... I live with a MAD quilter so I thought I was precise enough.Would you please clarify. Do you mean something like 18 inches by 18 inches, 0.25 square yards? Or something like 18 inches by 36 inches, 0.5 square yards?
The metric equivalent would be approximately something like 50 cm x 50 cm = 0.25 square meters or 50 cm x 1 m = 0.5 square meters.
It's not just the wet; the chill up there this time of year approximates April in Spain. Perfecto.Thanks
Just wanted to make sure everyone was thinking the same thing. I didn't want anyone to pack twice as much towel as needed, or worst, half as much. I threw in the metric measurements for the 99% of the world that get confused with the inch, foot, yard, rod, furlong, mile system. I actually had to work with chains and links also for awhile.Hey, Man... I live with a MAD quilter so I thought I was precise enough.
Let me clarify however.... yes, I mean 0.5 square yard... or "...something like 18 inches by 36 inches.."
Using "yards" (the plural) for a fraction of just ONE yard is not within my capacity. It seems confusing and un-necessary. (Your local quilter may have an entirely different opinion.)
Though I am reliably informed that I have a special place "on the spectrum" so you are probably "normal"...and therefore forgiven.
"Breaking News": Ah... the Beloved is suddenly available and I asked her how I got this wrong. She informs me that I should have said "one-half of a square yard". My response? "That's what I said!" (She is an English major while I tend more towards math and such.)
Apologies for my frivolity... I have had a long day in the cold of roasting "Christmas coffee" for loved ones and then moving firewood. A restorative glass of tinto is having out-sized effects perhaps....
B
That's about a quarter of a square yard (0.25 yd²) of mid-weight denim. Terrible towel though.OK how about 100g of cotton fabric of any density?
I know this suggestion will attract a tirade of not-in-the-spirit-of-it comments from the forum, but have you considered wearing a light day pack and spending a few Euros each day on a bag service?Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
You might be disappointed.I know this suggestion will attract a tirade of not-in-the-spirit-of-it comments from the forum
Looks good, but you have left David wandering around in the evening, wearing underpants and an Altus poncho while his washed walking trousers are drying,The attached .PDF file shows what I have done. My list comes to 3.320 kg.
Walking my first Camino in April (Portuguese Coastal). I'm intrigued-where do you get a Solar panel charger?Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
AND they can all be found along the way-“Chinese” store, supermarket, pharmacy.Thank you for reminding me of the items I also need to bring. Medical bandages and scissors and duct tape strips need to be added in my stuff
That's true, and so one doesn't need to carry more than is required for immediate first aid and a day or so of treatment of blisters or other minor injuries. My experience is that there were stretches of the CF and CI where I didn't find any open when I arrived at some place, or before I wanted to leave the next morning. My recommendation would be to have at least enough for a couple of days treatment of blisters and minor cuts, scrapes and other abrasions in addition to any medicines that you are taking regularly as part of your medical kit.AND they can all be found along the way-“Chinese” store, supermarket, pharmacy.
Walking my first Camino in April (Portuguese Coastal). I'm intrigued-where do you get a Solar panel charger?
David wandering around in the evening, wearing underpants and an Altus poncho
That poncho with hairy legs would be a parade, if not a fashion one. I suspect the early peregrinos didn't wash their clothes at all. Nor did they have Altus ponchos.camino are not a fashion parade. How did the early peregrinus cope?
merino wool also works better in both hot and cold weather than cotton.How about merano wool. Thats not syntetic and weight less than cotton
That isn't my experience. There are some things I would not use cotton for, but in hot conditions, I find cotton or cotton blends are much better at keeping one cool than wool. So cotton seems to be a good choice for hot days. There is concern about using cotton in cold wet conditions, where one needs to be kept warm. I can understand that, and where I need clothing and equipment to cover a range of temperature and wet/dry conditions, I will use wool and synthetics, and not cotton.merino wool also works better in both hot and cold weather than cotton.
Back pack - some fancy american made ones likeHi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Except when you are drenched in sweat! Cotton holds onto the moisture. I wear very lightweight merino wool, and it has served me well on hot and sweaty summer Caminos.There are some things I would not use cotton for, but in hot conditions, I find cotton or cotton blends are much better at keeping one cool than wool. So cotton seems to be a good choice for hot days.
Hi, You may want to consider tooth powder instead of toothpaste. Much lighter when compared although only a small difference in the overall weight.Hi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
Anything under 10 kilos and you’re doing wellHi all. Background - a couple of years ago I had my second groin hernia operation and afterwards the people came to me and asked about my activities (as it was both sides now), I explained about my first aid Camino mission and they thought a backpack was ok and I then explained about my hip-belt attached trailer and no pack and they told me that perhaps the first aid was over for me now and I should go back just wearing a light pack, without the trailer. So I sold the trailer and the plague came - but you can't keep an old dog down so designed and built another trailer during lockdown, just as a design project.
So .... an idle winter day today with all immediate jobs done and thinking about the possibility of a hot weather Camino in 2022 I got the digital scales out and made a packing list and I am both shocked at the weight and rather upset (well, not upset obviously, but I won't carry all this weight on my back, ever!) It really surprised me how it added up, even with a small list, as I haven't had to do this for many years.
Thought I would post my list so it can be taken apart - I don't take offence so please do feel free to get stuck in! By the way, I know I can save weight using synthetics against my skin, but I won't do that.
Assume wearing short sleeved shirt, zip-off shorts, underpants, hat, trekking sandals, and carrying documents/funds and sunglasses
28L Technicals rucksack 784 (+ there is a 60gms rain cover but not needed as I use a poncho)
Snugpak Jungle bag 866 - * possibly sleeping liner instead – save 500?
Towel 230 (won't use a car polishing micro fibre thing)
Toiletries - flannel, soap,
razor, toothbrush/paste 300
Phone & cable 224
Solar panel 92 - works absolutely brilliantly at keeping phone charged!
Brierley Maps only 116
Walking pole 220
Knee brace 304 - a necessary, sorry
Poncho cape 200
1 pr zip-off trousers 312 - will be wearing matching shorts to use 1 long legs on both
1 long sleeved shirt 328
1 cotton t-shirt 194
1 pr cotton underpants 72
1 pr ‘emergency’ socks 62
Light fleece 498 - * will look into light down fleece – save 200?
But!! Hang on!! This is already 4.802 !! without even adding a tiny first aid kit or food, or water …..
Though could save about 700 but still 4.1 kilos plus needed extras. Litre of water a kilo … not good!
Soooo seems to me with the daily additions will come to about 7 kilos?
Comments?? Thanks.
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