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There are many ‘small print’ rules across many countries that are pretty much never enacted and probably never will be. I would be amazed if you had any problems!I have heard for the second time this week, one coming from Simon Calder. Is it true that we are having to prove where you are staying, how much you have in the bank and proof of return travel home. If it is true, how do you get round this on a Camino when we don't have accommodation set up and we don't know what date we finish. Has anyone else heard of this.
I don’t think UK citizens are asked for a reason for travel (certainly never in my experience) and there is no landing cards so again there is no issue as such!Usually we are asked why we are coming to Spain. We say the Camino de Santiago, get a Buen Camino and a wave through.
I had to look up the name: Simon Calder is a British travel journalist and broadcaster (and I see that you are from Manchester). Yes, the info is basically correct. UK citizens belong now to the category of TCNs - third country nationals, and they are subject to the same EU entry rules as citizens from the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand for example. This topic has been discussed several times on the forum. To cut a long story short: it is very unlikely that you will ever be asked for proof of accommodation, financial means and return ticket. In the unlikely event that you even will be asked anything in this respect, it will be enough to make it plausible that you comply. Just answer truthfully what your Camino plans are and that’s it. Buen Camino!coming from Simon Calder
Simon Calder is pretty much the most authoritative media voice on ‘airline travel’ in UK and is constantly on TV/ Radio taking about issues such as impact of brexit, disruption, and so forth. He breaks it down for the mass travel population in an engaging and simplified way. He’s quite famous and certainly carries a lot of credibility. He will of course talk of rules as a starting point.I had to look up the name: Simon Calder is a British travel journalist and broadcaster (and I see that you are from Manchester). Yes, the info is basically correct. UK citizens belong now to the category of TCNs - third country nationals, and they are subject to the same EU entry rules as citizens from the USA, Canada, Australia or New Zealand for example. This topic has been discussed several times on the forum. To cut a long story short: it is very unlikely that you will ever be asked for proof of accommodation, financial means and return ticket. In the unlikely event that you even will be asked anything in this respect, it will be enough to make it plausible that you comply. Just answer truthfully what your Camino plans are and that’s it. Buen Camino!
If he's giving the impression that UK citizens always need to show proof of income, accommodations, and return flight, then he's not doing a very good job.Simon Calder is pretty much the most authoritative media voice on ‘airline travel’ in UK and is constantly on TV/ Radio taking about issues such as impact of brexit, disruption, and so forth. He breaks it down for the mass travel population in an engaging and simplified way. He’s quite famous and certainly carries a lot of credibility. He will of course talk of rules as a starting point.
I have not seen the quotes, piece to camera, or whatever the OP has seen. I would be amazed if he wouldn’t have caveated any rules he quoted with real world reality! That’s his strength! The vast majority of UK citizens will not be under the impression that all these things are needed!If he's giving the impression that UK citizens always need to show proof of income, accommodations, and return flight, then he's not doing a very good job.
Perhaps just one of the many adjustments to being outside the EU that they will need to make. It is, after all, the same treatment the UK gave non-EU travellers on arrival in the UK in the past. We have always been asked where we will be staying, and depending on where we were travelling in Europe, proof of return travel bookings.The vast majority of UK citizens will not be under the impression that all these things are needed!
From a UK standpoint its quite a fuzzy arena and there are a number of segments I guess. There is EU, Europe (non EU) a number of ‘preferred’ long distance countries (I. E . USA, Canada, Australia, NZ) which may benefit from E gates for example, and the the rest. UK folks now get their passport stamped on arrival at EU member countries for example but no landing cards.Perhaps just one of the many adjustments to being outside the EU that they will need to make. It is, after all, the same treatment the UK gave non-EU travellers on arrival in the UK in the past. We have always been asked where we will be staying, and depending on where we were travelling in Europe, proof of return travel bookings.
Similar questions have always been part of the international travel process for as long as I have been travelling outside of Australia. They are nothing new to many of us. At a practical level, I always use the first address I will be staying at, or intend to stay at, if I know that. Alternatively, I provide contact information that will allow me to be found should that be required. Proof of return travel and financial sufficiency is easy if you have apps to manage these aspects of your life, but in the past I have carried paper documents just in case I was asked.
I haven't faced the situation raised by the OP of not having return travel to Australia booked, but I have regularly travelled to Spain and elsewhere in Europe without all the connections confirmed. Perhaps I am being naive here, but simply explaining that is likely to be sufficient, unless the immigration officer involved knows of some reason to deny you entry if you cannot show you are going to leave.
Correct. Similar story about UK folks travelling to France. Something about registering at the Town Hall if you are staying with friends!Similar rules in most European countries, but I've never been asked. Scare mongering, don't worry about it. I've just got back to the UK from Santiago, no such issues. The only time you are likely to be checked as to what funds you have is when applying for a visa to stop more than 90 days, it is part of the application process . The border controls don't have the time or inclination to check such things. Besides if you are in possession or a credit card you are likely to have adequate funds. Simon Calder is just stating the regulations and the media jump on such things as click bait to get your attention.
I was not asked at the beginning of July.That is the official position for visitors from the UK. It is spelled out in the FCO advice for travel to Spain: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements. I think the important phrase is that "you may need to...." It is up to the Spanish border officers how much of this is actually applied in any individual case. My own entirely unofficial prediction is that in most cases a relatively prosperous looking Brit entering the country on a UK passport is unlikely to be challenged to provide all the evidence you cite.
Of course they get their passport stanped with an Entry stamp and an Exit stamp and of course there are no landing cards. As I said, British travellers from the UK to the EU/Schengen area had been treated as EU citizens until 31 December 2020 (I think) and since then they are treated as Third Country Nationals like thousands of travellers from other non-EU countries who also benefit from the visa waiver program, like the USA and many others - no more and no less.UK folks now get their passport stamped on arrival at EU member countries for example but no landing cards.
Yes I know all that! UK citizens will need to apply for an ETIAS from May 2023, effectively a Schengen zone visa waiver scheme.Of course they get their passport stanped with an Entry stamp and an Exit stamp and of course there are no landing cards. As I said, British travellers from the UK to the EU/Schengen area had been treated as EU citizens until 31 December 2020 (I think) and since then they are treated as Third Country Nationals like thousands of travellers from other non-EU countries who also benefit from the visa waiver program, like the USA and many others - no more and no less.
Funny enough Simon Calder just appeared on my news feed about this weekends disruption at Dover. He made the point that one of the factors is that UK passports have to be stamped now on entering France so it takes longer. He then said and ‘theoretically other check led may be needed’ so it sounds like sensible positioning to me!I did the Norte in May and had other trips to Spain this year and I haven't been asked. I just thought they might be tightening the rules now. If this rule has been about done time then I'm not worried. Thank you everyone for further info.
This is the case I walked Sarria to SDC at the end of May/begining of June with 3 family members. We were prepared with our Camino credentials. banking apps on our phones and Spanish Travel Health apps. At Madrid airport they just stamped our passports and waved us through with no questions asked. Although I am a born and bred Brummie my mother was Irish and were it not for the others only having British passports I would have used my Irish passport to avoid the queue.I have heard for the second time this week, one coming from Simon Calder. Is it true that we are having to prove where you are staying, how much you have in the bank and proof of return travel home. If it is true, how do you get round this on a Camino when we don't have accommodation set up and we don't know what date we finish. Has anyone else heard of this.
If you check the official details it is true - but ( at the moment anyway) rarel enforced. If requested you need to show a return ticket and be able to show that you can access sufficient funds ( c€85 per day). English people can sign up to receive alerts from our government covering changes in entry and Covid requirements.I have heard for the second time this week, one coming from Simon Calder. Is it true that we are having to prove where you are staying, how much you have in the bank and proof of return travel home. If it is true, how do you get round this on a Camino when we don't have accommodation set up and we don't know what date we finish. Has anyone else heard of this.
If you check the official details it is true - but ( at the moment anyway) rarel enforced.
'Rarely' is right, but it really matters if you happen to be one of the rare cases of official scrutiny. So it pays to be prepared.Similar rules in most European countries, but I've never been asked. Scare mongering, don't worry about it. I've just got back to the UK from Santiago, no such issues. The only time you are likely to be checked as to what funds you have is when applying for a visa to stop more than 90 days, it is part of the application process . The border controls don't have the time or inclination to check such things.
He did his “podcast of the week“ and linked it to his Twitter account on 22 July.Funny enough Simon Calder just appeared on my news feed about this weekends disruption at Dover. He made the point that one of the factors is that UK passports have to be stamped now on entering France so it takes longer. He then said and ‘theoretically other check led may be needed’ so it sounds like sensible positioning to me!
"in most cases a relatively prosperous looking Brit" - You've not seen me going to start a Camino, especially if I have decided to look like a pilgrim and have grown my hair (thankfully I still have some!) and I've not shaved for a week or so!That is the official position for visitors from the UK. It is spelled out in the FCO advice for travel to Spain: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements. I think the important phrase is that "you may need to...." It is up to the Spanish border officers how much of this is actually applied in any individual case. My own entirely unofficial prediction is that in most cases a relatively prosperous looking Brit entering the country on a UK passport is unlikely to be challenged to provide all the evidence you cite.
Sigh. If you look different or stand out in some way, you're much more likely to be grilled - and it can be pretty disconcerting. Getting us flustered seems the point of the exercise.(Mostly being flustered by the questions being asked.).
I never have a return ticket until near the end of my hikes as I never know exactly when I will be leaving.If you check the official details it is true - but ( at the moment anyway) rarel enforced. If requested you need to show a return ticket and be able to show that you can access sufficient funds ( c€85 per day). English people can sign up to receive alerts from our government covering changes in entry and Covid requirements.
The way I read the refs is not proof of income, but enough resources for your stay, and only if flying into Spain, not walking over the border. That said, three weeks ago the only asked where I was going, no request for proof of resourcesThat is the official position for visitors from the UK. It is spelled out in the FCO advice for travel to Spain: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements. I think the important phrase is that "you may need to...." It is up to the Spanish border officers how much of this is actually applied in any individual case. My own entirely unofficial prediction is that in most cases a relatively prosperous looking Brit entering the country on a UK passport is unlikely to be challenged to provide all the evidence you cite.
I can’t wait for it to be the end of the first week of September and all this will be over … I am of course referring to the increase of the number of crossborder travellers where the focus will shift away from Dover and Folkestone and back to SJPP with their traditional seasonal increase of the number of international pilgrims setting out from there and the traditional bottlenecks in that area.and ‘why now’
Yes what you describe is relatively standard worldwide as policy and enforcement varies a lot! I checked in for a flight to Colombia last month and they insisted on seeing a ticket for my journey out of Colombia which I didn’t have!!! !If I were a citizen of the UK, I would be grateful for the information. Problems usually come when people are unprepared.
There was a news story here in Australia recently about a young man who arrived in one advanced western country and was refused entry and returned immediately to Australia, despite actually meeting all the requirements. His problem was that he was not able to prove it - all his information was on his mobile phone (with an Australian SIM card) and while he was being interrogated by the customs officer he could not access that information because his phone would not connect to the local network or wifi. He could not even make a telephone call, and the customs officer was not prepared to allow him to use someone else's phone.
It was considered by the media here as rather mean spirited, as the young man had worked a second job to save up for this big trip, but it was completely within the law of the relevant country.
As an Australian I have always had to comply with the regulations as a "stranger" entering Europe. My situation has been exactly as @dougfitz describes - knowing the visa requirements, having a return ticket (with paper proof), having a passport with an expiry date at least 6 months after the date of my return ticket, having the means to cover my expenses for the whole of my trip and the ability to prove it, and knowing the address of at least the first night's accommodation and my planned activities. I have often been asked what I intend to do, and happily reel off the detail.
Agree, and it is relevant as many UKer's come to the EU to walk Caminos.If I were a citizen of the UK, I would be grateful for the information. Problems usually come when people are unprepared.
Although our phones are invaluable and often provide ease of use for us when traveling, I am one who always prefer to print each and every item I may be required to prove ahead of time. I can get easily frustrated if asked questions by authorities and easily flustered when trying to locate and retrieve the correct information on my phone; much easier for me to hand them a piece of paper...I am old fashioned.His problem was that he was not able to prove it - all his information was on his mobile phone (with an Australian SIM card) and while he was being interrogated by the customs officer he could not access that information because his phone would not connect to the local network or wifi.
I thought you were going to tell the story about the other Australian sent home because his onward ticket didn't go far enough. It was only to a neighboring country. He was not able to get a phone or internet connection to buy a qualifying ticket before being locked up for a day and then deported.There was a news story here in Australia recently about a young man who arrived in one advanced western country and was refused entry and returned immediately to Australia,
And now your passport (at least your UK one) will bring back happy memories and tell a story...much like the credencial.I just realised this question applies to me...
I used my UK passport ( I have not yet got my Irish one, that will be seen to when I get home to Dublin) and the only difference in Bilbao, where I landed, was a stamp in the passport. I have not had one of those for years. I guess I will get another one when I leave early August...
I’ll see your Dickens and raise you a ‘Bleak House’ in which appears Jarndyce vs Jarndyce; the probate case which lasts so long that no one can remember the basis of the suit and all the money is consumed by lawyers’ fees.Nothing needs to be dangerous as long as people act like adults in the room.
Every country you enter requires , if asked, that you have sufficient funds to support yourself for the duration of your stay. This just makes sense.
It is unfortunate to see the Brexit issue still rearing its ugly head.i would have thought by now that this would have been consigned to Twitter, where it belongs, and off the Camino forum where it doesn't.
Like any divorce there are faults on both sides. Nobody is perfect and once divorced it is up to both to make things work for the sake of the children and for a little harmony to prevail.
To rely on the media (and to quote) because it suits an entrenched view is for the gullible unable to see the bias and lack of facts which are only there to sell the product and to appeal to a like-minded readership/consumer.
There are times that I am reminded of the Dickensian character Miss Haversham, still refusing to take off her wedding dress after being jilted at the altar.
Asked in 2016 what the matter is...and she is still going.
It was the best of times...it was the worst of times.
Still (emerald) green with envyI just realised this question applies to me...
I used my UK passport ( I have not yet got my Irish one, that will be seen to when I get home to Dublin) and the only difference in Bilbao, where I landed, was a stamp in the passport. I have not had one of those for years. I guess I will get another one when I leave early August...
Quite so.We are entering dangerous forum territory now.
It never pays to get your information from the "clickbait media" least of all republish on this or any other site. To do so risks hypocritical gullibility.Best to read the official guidance and not whatever the "clickbait media" wants to peddle. Journalism seems to have taken a dive off the deep end in the last 10 years.
From the FO pages
It was from some press release or other, not clickbait, though I have been suffering from precursor to sunstroke, so cannot tell you where. Thank you for the "hypocritical" word.It never pays to get your information from the "clickbait media" least of all republish on this or any other site. To do so risks hypocritical gullibility.
Yes, it seems applying for a visa is much more scrutinized than those visitors entering Spain (or elsewhere in the EU) for a much shorter vacation.The amounts that Kathar1na mentions concern those wishing to live in Spain for some months or longer, unemployed, not simple holidaymakers.
Please let's not have this same argument all over again, I am on the Camino and that's quite enough for me to be worrying about for the time being.They are the amounts that are the topic of this thread and of the first post.
Just wishing you a buen camino Jabba...you deserve it.Please let's not have this same argument all over again, I am on the Camino and that's quite enough for me to be worrying about for the time being.
Really, it does not matter to me one way or the other. I’ve zapped my two recent posts with the info about the reference amounts.Please let's not have this same argument all over again, I am on the Camino and that's quite enough for me to be worrying about for the time being.
I’ll see your Dickens and raise you a ‘Bleak House’ in which appears Jarndyce vs Jarndyce; the probate case which lasts so long that no one can remember the basis of the suit and all the money is consumed by lawyers’ fees.
Participation in these more heated discussions while on the camino is completely optional.Just wishing you a buen camino Jabba...you deserve it.
only a troublemaker would likely be importuned by such requirement inside the country.
Well, 99% of the time. But as posts here have confirmed, you can be totally innocent and not in any way a troublemaker to run afoul of authorities. Sometimes it's ignorance on the part of the traveler, sometimes it's bloody-mindedness or even bullying on the part of the official, sometimes both at the same time - as in the case the @Kanga mentioned. If those guys were half human, they would have found a way to allow the traveler to prove his story, rather than being rigid bureaucrats and just sending him home.My point about ordinary activities and troublemaking stands, as anybody familiar with Spain should realise.
There was a news story here in Australia recently about a young man who arrived in one advanced western country and was refused entry and returned immediately to Australia, despite actually meeting all the requirements. His problem was that he was not able to prove it - all his information was on his mobile phone (with an Australian SIM card) and while he was being interrogated by the customs officer he could not access that information because his phone would not connect to the local network or wifi. He could not even make a telephone call, and the customs officer was not prepared to allow him to use someone else's phone.
That's just smart. Fumbling on your phone with a long immigration queue behind you makes everyone ill-disposed to treat you kindly.much easier for me to hand them a piece of paper...I am old fashioned.
Ho hum.Participation in these more heated discussions while on the camino is completely optional.
The best way to have a buen camino is to tune out of such things.
So buen camino, @ Jabbapapa - please feel free to ignore us over here.
Well, 99% of the time. But as posts here have confirmed, you can be totally innocent and not in any way a troublemaker to run afoul of authorities. Sometimes it's ignorance on the part of the traveler, sometimes it's bloody-mindedness or even bullying on the part of the official, sometimes both at the same time - as in the case the @Kanga mentioned. If those guys were half human, they would have found a way to allow the traveler to prove his story, rather than being rigid bureaucrats and just sending him home.
That's just smart. Fumbling on your phone with a long immigration queue behind you makes everyone ill-disposed to treat you kindly.
And far be it for me to have the temerity to correct such a sage and worthy contributor to this forum and such a nice dog but......I’ll see your Dickens and raise you a ‘Bleak House’ in which appears Jarndyce vs Jarndyce; the probate case which lasts so long that no one can remember the basis of the suit and all the money is consumed by lawyers’ fees.
Mornington Crescent!And far be it for me to have the temerity to correct such a sage and worthy contributor to this forum and such a nice dog but......
In the game of Dickensian poker the "full bleak house" is a hand not to be shown until the final declaration and not a raising stake.
Mornington Crescent!
Maybe as kinda closure… Just to advise this story is getting ‘major play’ in the English media today. Last weekend was about ports and France and this weekend it’s about airports and Spain as it’s the busiest weekend for departures of the year?Connoisseurs of the UK media can probably guess how it’s being positioned by some of the outlets!!
It does offer an advantage. There is no centralised EU system for recording those who enter and leave. They rely on the physical stamps in your passport. There is categorically no EU system which knows that DoughnutANZ with a NZ passport is the same DoughnutANZ with a UK passport. You could then easily bypass the 90/180 rule.I have two passports and there used to be some value for me to keep renewing my UK passport but now that it no longer gives me any advantage in entering Europe I may as well save some money and let it expire.
This also simplifies things and will mean that I am not hassled by Swiss border staff when showing them my ANZ passport and them getting upset because it didn't contain an entry stamp.
Was this post-Brexit?This also simplifies things and will mean that I am not hassled by Swiss border staff when showing them my ANZ passport and them getting upset because it didn't contain an entry stamp.
I have flown at least 60-70 times to various parts of Western Europe and I have never been asked about funds. However, I have been occasionally asked where I would be staying and how long I planned to travel. Most of the time, they check the passport and hand it back and that is it.I have been to Europe many, many times and traveled directly into Spain 7 times and I have never been asked. In fact I can't remember a customs agent doing anything more than scanning my passport, stamping it and handing it back. Barely a mumble out of the agent. That is only my experience.
Well, that's what you get for being a bit of a smart aleck, even if being truthful, Henry's owner.Arriving at O’Hare I was asked ‘Why do you want to enter the United States?’; to which I replied honestly but unadvisedly ‘I don’t; I’ve been sent’
great post @henrythedog . I also have multi UK passports (2 in my case!) which I got as I did a lot of work travel to places where visas are required. I also have an Irish one which is recent. The two UK ones really helped as I do a lot of personal travel! For example, I went by train(s) from London to Beijing once which required 4 visas so passport was away for a month which would have been a real issue! So I would endorse your view that to have a second passport can be very useful!It does offer an advantage. There is no centralised EU system for recording those who enter and leave. They rely on the physical stamps in your passport. There is categorically no EU system which knows that DoughnutANZ with a NZ passport is the same DoughnutANZ with a UK passport. You could then easily bypass the 90/180 rule.
I’ve just given up my third UK passport (leaving me with two) which has have allowed me to do just that - I had three for decades when I was working, going back to the days when having a South African stamp was an issue in some countries and when you simply couldn’t have an Israeli and Saudi stamp in the same passport and when visa applications could take weeks.
I had a friend who was a ‘queens messenger’ (a diplomatic bag-carrier really) who had six concurrent UK passports.
For the cost, personally, I’d keep it. You just never know.
Arriving at O’Hare I was asked ‘Why do you want to enter the United States?’; to which I replied honestly but unadvisedly ‘I don’t; I’ve been sent’.
Three hours later; after being searched ...
It was just after that that I tripped and fell on the drug-dog, which I’m sure I have related previously.
Absolutely. These people are serious, and seem to take it as a mark of disrespect if you are not.Never assume any sense of humour at immigration.
I have been searched by the drug dog at the Calgary airport, which was thorough in its interest in me, less so in my luggage. I don't think that I have checked any luggage since. I now prefer not to wait for luggage delivery.I tripped and fell on the drug-dog
Please continue the story. How long after all that was it until you got your diplomatic passport?
I think that I have also told my Swiss border story before but in a similar vein and to complete my prior post on this thread.I haven’t a diplomatic bone in my body!
To clarify, a little, if one travels constantly the several months which it can take to renew a passport or the several weeks to be granted a visa or, historically, the presence of one stamp in a passport being an issue in another country; permit multiple passports (at least, in the UK) . Specifically these are not ‘copies’ of a passport; they are totally separate travel documents - thus, the EU for example, do not know that my two passports are owned by the same person.
Anyway - the drug dog.
After a long day of international flight, extended immigration; missing baggage and generally short temper; whilst trying to exit O’Hare I stumbled on a down-escalator and fell on a drug-dog. It was a spaniel and its owner was tall and mirror-shaded. And armed.
Within seconds sufficient men-with-guns arrived to have invaded a small African country.
I’ve had better days.
Why in the world were you pulled off of a train between Italy and Switzerland? And how? Did the conductor call the authorities on you? I’m pretty sure Switzerland and Italy are both part of the Schengen zone so there would be no border checks? Apparently not fading into the background…., ha!'Rarely' is right, but it really matters if you happen to be one of the rare cases of official scrutiny. So it pays to be prepared.
"Scare mongering, don't worry about it" based on the experience of one trip is totally misleading.
In May this year I was pulled off a train between Switzerland and Italy - and can tell you from very unpleasant experience (and later stories from others) that there are border officials who certainly do have time for such things.
It is amazing (to me) how large the barrel of a gun looks when it is pointed at you from a close distance.Wow, @DoughnutANZ, this reads like something that happens in an action movie or a novel.
I know nothing about trains between Italy and Switzerland but I have experience of spot checks / random checks on transborder trains elsewhere in Schengen. Several years ago, I was questioned (but not pulled off the train) on an international high speed train going from Brussels (Belgium) to Cologne (Germany). The team of (German) border / custom police officers board the train at the last station before the border and walk through the train while it is moving forward at full speed, checking passengers and maybe even luggage, posing questions, asking for ID. It was several years ago and I don't even remember what they asked me. I am a rather mature EU citizen and look the part if I may say so. I don't even have a beard. I have no idea why they picked me. Maybe they have a random pattern that they follow. When they pull people off the train, they do so at the first station after the border.Why in the world were you pulled off of a train between Italy and Switzerland? And how? Did the conductor call the authorities on you? I’m pretty sure Switzerland and Italy are both part of the Schengen zone so there would be no border checks?
I see, so there still are border checks on trains? I’ve only done the international train travel in the EU since Schengen a few times, and I guess I just never noticed, or it didn’t happen on my train. The last time I crossed from Switzerland into Italy was in a German registered car that I was driving, And I don’t recall getting stopped at all.I know nothing about trains between Italy and Switzerland but I have experience of spot checks / random checks on transborder trains elsewhere in Schengen.
How did you find TAP Portugal?As a non Schengen country resident flying to Spain thru Germany last year, it was the immigration control in Frankfurt who wanted to see my itinerary and my return ticket. Did I mention that my husband and I were going from Sarria to Santiago and then on a 10 day guided tour? And flying back through Lisbon on Tap Portugal?
He gave up after the 3rd email on my phone...all in English, of course. ;/
Probably, but the previous post was referring to special fares with stopovers in Lisbon or Madrid. This thread is about requirements for documentaition. For specific advice about airlines and routing, you'll probably get better advice if you post a new thread with your question. To do that click here and then on the orange Post Thread button at the top.What is this? Could I fly to Porto via a stopover in Lisbon?
I am in the same situation. After Santiago, I have no idea where I'm going. My concern is that my stay might exceed the 90 days without a visa.I never have a return ticket until near the end of my hikes as I never know exactly when I will be leaving.
Well, you just need to keep track of how long you have been in the Schengen zone and leave before 90 days.I am in the same situation. After Santiago, I have no idea where I'm going. My concern is that my stay might exceed the 90 days without a visa.
Don't do it - otherwise you may not be able to get into the Schengen Zone again for a while afterwards. Just make sure you keep track - immigration folks (correctly) consider that it's your responsibility to do that. It is not hard. You just need to count to 90.My concern is that my stay might exceed the 90 days without a visa.
See this post (the whole thread might be useful too):Edit. I see you're from Oz. I believe there's a special visa you can apply for? Maybe do a search because I read about it here on the Forun.
My understanding was that as an Australian, I could enter the Schengen area for a maximum of 90 days, however, after reading the article you shared, it appears I can visit many countries within the area for 90 days each.See this post (the whole thread might be useful too):
It worth remembering that the following countries are not in the Schengen zone: Ireland, UK, Romania, Bulgaria.I am in the same situation. After Santiago, I have no idea where I'm going. My concern is that my stay might exceed the 90 days without a visa.
You’ve got 90 days in any one rolling 180 day period in Schengen; without a specific visa permitting otherwise.My understanding was that as an Australian, I could enter the Schengen area for a maximum of 90 days, however, after reading the article you shared, it appears I can visit many countries within the area for 90 days each.
There are indeed some older agreements between individual countries that may give you this additional time.My understanding was that as an Australian, I could enter the Schengen area for a maximum of 90 days, however, after reading the article you shared, it appears I can visit many countries within the area for 90 days each.
Yes, you might be allowed to visit a country after your initial 90 days but there may be a requirement for a visa stamp in your passport, if you leave the country you may possibly not legally be allowed back in, the method of transportation for your entry and exit might be specified, you may have to stop for stamps at border crossings. It can be done but it may not be easy to do.If you talk to the embassies involved and you get documents supporting your plans for more than 90 days then you will probably be okay but be prepared to produce your documents when leaving because these agreements are not widely known about.
I'll play it safe and try to have some proof of where you were every day. Google Maps can be set to keep a history of your locations but I'd try for some other way too.You will also need to document when you arrive and depart from specific countries.
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