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It's a catchy name. Sounds good in tourism brochures.I wonder now why the track over the mountains between SJPP and Roncesvalles also came to be known as the Route Napoléon. Can anyone shed light on this?
In which language?Now can you please advise where is the correct place to put the accent on Napoleon?
English: Napoleon
French: Napoléon
Spanish: Napoleón
From an earlier thread: Until a new road was built in the Valcarlos valley around 1880, the higher route over the pass was the only one where coaches could travel and artillery (canons) could be transported during the time of Napoleon because sections of the old Valcarlos road were too steep for them (too steep for the horses who pulled it, I guess). The higher road was in fact called Camino de la artillería o de Napoleón.
Nowadays, Napoleon Route sounds better than Artillery Route.
My guess is that it was named by the French. I think the Spanish were not too keen on Napoleon.Is it named by the French or the Spanish?
You wonder perhaps when the road was officially named as such on official maps and not just called as such in spoken language in the region on both sides of the border? It is difficult to find out because you need to be able to read documents from that time with a name in it, provided that they even exist. All I know, and have seen, is that the road has a name on the famous Cassini map: Grande Route de l'Espagne - Main Road to Spain. Despite the Italian name, Cassini was French and he drew a detailed map of the Kingdom of France and named places and some roads in French. All roads stop at the French-Spanish border. The map was created before 1800.Is it named by the French or the Spanish?
Maybe we shouldn't.I guess we should just accept that the road and the trail is now called Route Napoleon, that the road got associated with Napoleon's name, and that Napoleon did not walk it on foot, did not ride on it on a horse and did not travel on it in a coach.
Dutch: small French bloke with a big égo.In which language?
English: Napoleon
French: Napoléon
Spanish: Napoleón
On the forum: Any version will be understood.
Gracias for the information.It's a catchy name. Sounds good in tourism brochures.
The French government improved the road from SJPP to Roncesvalles over the pass (hardened surface and similar) to better allow transport of heavy machinery, for example artillery, for their army. Napoleonic wars. In this context against Spain. Early 1800s. Napoleon himself never set foot on it. He travelled to Spain once. He crossed the French-Spanish border further to the west, closer to Biarritz.
I love it when a thread goes off into interesting areas like this.And he was not so short as some people seem to think.
In fact for a man in those times he was of average height.
Was Napoleon Short? Origins of the 'Napoleon Complex' | HISTORY
The so-called Napoleon Complex has roots in a prominent cartoonist's mocking depiction of the French emperor.www.history.com
We're just jealous of you in general.Perhaps they don't want us to know history??
I love it when a thread goes off into interesting areas like this.
Unfortunately though, the link is content blocked for Aotearoa New Zealand.Perhaps they don't want us to know history??
I love this sort of thread, too: discussions of history, geography, cartography, linguistic and political minutiae- all this is right down my alley! And, I cannot understand why the Kiwis should be excluded from the fun?!?!I love it when a thread goes off into interesting areas like this.
Unfortunately though, the link is content blocked for Aotearoa New Zealand.Perhaps they don't want us to know history??
And he was not so short as some people seem to think.
In fact for a man in those times he was of average height.
Was Napoleon Short? Origins of the 'Napoleon Complex' | HISTORY
The so-called Napoleon Complex has roots in a prominent cartoonist's mocking depiction of the French emperor.www.history.com
There is a notice on the History.com website: Due to business and legal constraints, we are no longer able to offer History.com content in certain territories.@Doughnut NZ
You’re not alone. Here in Sydney (Australia)., I get the same block out message to that link.
I agree 100% !!I guess we should just accept that the road and the trail is now called Route Napoleon, that the road got associated with Napoleon's name, and that Napoleon did not walk it on foot, did not ride on it on a horse and did not travel on it in a coach.
Someone (https://www.davidrumsey.com/xmaps10000.html) has digitised the Cassini Map of France of 1750 and done an excellent job. Below you can see an extract. Top right it says Orisson Chapelle et Cabaret; the place is marked with a small building with a cross on top. All gone. This is where your find the modern Gîte Orisson today but on the other side of the road. The road going past it is labelled as Grande Route d'Espagne. It goes over the pass to Roncesvalles and is where we walk today. A bit further along it says Chateau Pignon. This was a castle or fort, also gone. To the left you can make out the names of the towns of Arneguy and Lußayde or Val Carlos.the road has a name on the famous Cassini map: Grande Route de l'Espagne - Main Road to Spain.
And so did I, here in Adelaide, when I tried. Was it something we said?@Doughnut NZ
You’re not alone. Here in Sydney (Australia)., I get the same block out message to that link.
Annie
Thanks. I enjoyed the proper version of the song. I liked the first link as well.The historical documents illustrated by the story of Sharpe have very catchy tunes.
I think the song is original. i'm planning on learning the words for next time
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I should actually link the proper version...
And he was not so short as some people seem to think.
In fact for a man in those times he was of average height.
Was Napoleon Short? Origins of the 'Napoleon Complex' | HISTORY
The so-called Napoleon Complex has roots in a prominent cartoonist's mocking depiction of the French emperor.www.history.com
@Doughnut NZ Y @Anna CameronAnd so did I, here in Adelaide, when I tried. Was it something we said?
Some of the streaming services can outsmart the VPNs. A few years ago while I was in Guatemala I tried to watch something from the US on Netflix or Prime video using my VPN, and I got a message that a VPN was detected, and it would play what I wanted.This can also be useful when you want to watch a movie on TV in another country or some live broadcast that is geo-blocked. I’ve used it sometimes to watch something on Spanish TV that was not accessible otherwise. Yesterday, thanks to VPN, I could watch a movie on Austrian TV that was geo-blocked. Geo-blocking is a real PITA. I’m barred from online content even when I am willing to pay for it!!!
Nice song,I wonder if the film was filmed in the Napoleon Route.The historical documents illustrated by the story of Sharpe have very catchy tunes.
I think the song is original. i'm planning on learning the words for next time
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I should actually link the proper version...
Corsican: NapulioneIn which language?
English: Napoleon
French: Napoléon
Spanish: Napoleón
On the forum: Any version will be understood.
A lot of the Sharpe series were filmed in Ukraine!Nice song,I wonder if the film was filmed in the Napoleon Route.
The 'Sharpe' movie about the Battle of Waterloo was filmed in Turkey. Waterloo is a small town in what is now Belgium, and Napoleon was finally defeated there. The actor visited the area where the battle took place some time after the end of the filming for the first time. There's actually a thoughtful article about his visit.I wonder if the film was filmed in the Napoleon Route.
All of the episodes, apart from the possibly mis-judged revamp in India, are to quite a high standard a lot of which is due to the quality of the actors employed: Brian Cox, Mark Strong and a very young Daniel Craig among others.The 'Sharpe' movie about the Battle of Waterloo was filmed in Turkey. Waterloo is a small town in what is now Belgium, and Napoleon was finally defeated there. The actor visited the area where the battle took place some time after the end of the filming for the first time. There's actually a thoughtful article about his visit.
He and the Radio Times journalist stayed in a hotel nearby where there was some disorganisation in the morning and they organised their breakfast themselves. Quote: Apart from a confused Belgian chambermaid there are no staff and the only other guests have been spotted exiting via a ground-floor window. Locked in and with no signs of any petit dejeuner, we are reduced to foraging in the kitchen for stale bread rolls left over from dinner. Sounds familiar to pilgrims?
The 'Sharpe' movie with the title 'Rifles' is on YouTube. It's about the French invasion of Galicia and it is set near A Coruña (spelled Corunna in English). I think some of it was filmed on location in Spain, perhaps even in Santiago? Anyone seen it?
"Ripping Yarn"
My research showed that when French troops were sent to Spain to fight the Spanish and English forces after Napoleons brother was put on the throne in Madrid, these raw/ green troops were marched over the col into Pamplona , because 1- it toughened they up 2- they were not subjected to the narrow village road and steep defile where they could be attacked and disbursed and demoralized . The French fortress in Pamplona gave these new troops time to acclimate. It was known locally as Route Napoléon.I am now reading that the Route Napoléon is a 325 km stretch of track in the south east of France. It is so named because it is the route on which Napoléon rode in 1815 on his way to Paris after he escaped from Elba. I wonder now why the track over the mountains between SJPP and Roncesvalles also came to be known as the Route Napoléon. Can anyone shed light on this?
Napoleon's gravity-defying 325km road
The Route Napoleon gives visitors the chance to put themselves in the boots of the emperor, deep dive into Gallic culture and unlock the beauty of unspoiled natural landscapes.www.bbc.com
I am reading this between my first and second sleeps. My first thought was how could Napoleon’s brother be installed on the throne in Madrid before the French troops arrived via what is still known as the Route Napoleon. But another read on Wikipedia tells me - if my understanding in correct - that initially Spain and Napoleon’s France were allies fighting against Portugal. (It was during this time that Napoleon’s brother was installed on the throne.) However, not all of Spain was happy with the occupation, and the English certainly were not, and it all escalated into the Peninsular War. It’s a slow process, but I think I’m beginning to understand.My research showed that when French troops were sent to Spain to fight the Spanish and English forces after Napoleons brother was put on the throne in Madrid, these raw/ green troops were marched over the col into Pamplona , because 1- it toughened they up 2- they were not subjected to the narrow village road and steep defile where they could be attacked and disbursed and demoralized . The French fortress in Pamplona gave these new troops time to acclimate. It was known locally as Route Napoléon.
Google Battle of the Pyrenees. There is a lot of detailed information on the net. The Battle of Roncesvalles is one of a series of battles that took place within one single week in the summer of 1813 in the area marked by Pamplona, SJPP, San Sebastián, Saint-Jean-de-Luz as corner points. The pass of Roncesvalles was not the only pass involved. The battle of the Maya Pass was another one. The events near SJPP are given much prominence because we hear about one of the names for this one road across the mountain range and next to nothing about the rest. It is a narrow vision.I think I’m beginning to understand.
Napoleons route from Elba started on the south of FranceI am now reading that the Route Napoléon is a 325 km stretch of track in the south east of France. It is so named because it is the route on which Napoléon rode in 1815 on his way to Paris after he escaped from Elba. I wonder now why the track over the mountains between SJPP and Roncesvalles also came to be known as the Route Napoléon. Can anyone shed light on this?
Napoleon's gravity-defying 325km road
The Route Napoleon gives visitors the chance to put themselves in the boots of the emperor, deep dive into Gallic culture and unlock the beauty of unspoiled natural landscapes.www.bbc.com
Maybe not. On the Valcarlos route there’s the risk of ambush.That makes total sense, @Kathar1na.
Hmm.Calling it the Artillery Route might finally make more people more interested in the Valcarlos - the main route over to Roncesvalles since long before Napoleon, whose name is centuries older.
Maybe not. On the Valcarlos route there’s the risk of ambush.That makes total sense, @Kathar1na.
Hmm.Calling it the Artillery Route might finally make more people more interested in the Valcarlos - the main route over to Roncesvalles since long before Napoleon, whose name is centuries older.
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