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Civil twilight is about 0617, and will be about 1:30 minutes earlier per day through June 22. Actual sunrise is about thirty minutes later.can someone tell me what time is first light now In Spain
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Civil twilight is about 0617, and will be about 1:30 minutes earlier per day through June 22. Actual sunrise is about thirty minutes later.can someone tell me what time is first light now In Spain
CET is the time zone for Spain. At the east end of the Camino France it is light around 6 but by 6:30 there is good visibility for walking late in May and June.Hi can someone tell me what time is first light now In Spain it's about 6am here in Ireland. I think some of the best advice is in connection with walk early walk with the wave the later in the day one leaves it is likely that later means less people.
Thanks in advance
Rita
Thank you for this post. I am hesitant to share this with immediate family. Would it be appropriate to start a thread for solo females beginning the Camino within the next month or so, or should we reply here? I am solo beginning in SJPdP June 25.
Sarria is far from Astorga... so these incidents is not relevant to you if you start in Sarria and walk to Santiago.I'd be interested in that. I'm beginning in Sarria on July 8th on my own. I'm not sharing the recent information with my immediate family because I don't want to cause my mom any more worry than she already has related to me traveling alone to a different country.
I too will be leaving SJPP in late August and walking all of September. I will be happy to share my camino with other traveling companions. May see you along the way Tessera! And thanks for keeping us informed Ivar...I will be walking the Camino Francés in September (leave SJPP late August, walk in to Santiago about the end of September). I am a confident woman and not fearful. I will be happy to share this part of the route with traveling companions who might find reassurance in knowing we can all look out for one another. (Hey, it's my first post! Thanks to all who share their knowledge and good humor in this forum!)
I'd been debating whether to bring my pepper spray, buy some in Spain, or just hope that I'll be safe. Is pepper spray legal to carry in Spain?
I am leaving for my camino this Saturday 5/23. I will undoubtedly be walking through this area during the beginning of my camino (I'm starting in Leon.) As a solo female, I am wondering what details you can give about the situations that have been reported. This way I know behavior to look out for and when I should be walking with others. Any information you can provide would give this about-to-be pilgrim some peace of mind! Thank you! Sarah
Dear Pilgrims,
There has been some improper behavior reported towards women over the last few weeks on the stage between Astorga and Rabanal. These reports are sufficiently credible that we would like to make a general advisory that pilgrims walking alone on this section of the Camino Frances, might want to walk in pairs or groups. This is the general area where Denise the missing pilgrims was last seen a few weeks ago. The local police are still working on finding Denise and also are aware of these latest occurrences.
The Camino has been a very safe place, and it still is, but it only takes a few to make the situation more uncertain. This message is not made to scare anyone, but more to inform of the situation, so that if you are walking this section in the next few days/weeks can make the necessary adjustments and find a walking parter.
If you decide to comment on this thread, please try to stay away from speculations, so that this thread can become a place where pilgrims can come and learn "what we actually know", and not rumors or speculations around this topic. The mods will help me with this.
Buen Camino!
Ivar
Police are not linking the attempted kidnapping to the disappearance, but are investigating both:
http://www.diariodeleon.es/noticias...-caso-peregrina-intento-secuestro_980086.html
http://www.leonoticias.com/frontend...-El-Monte-Evita-El-Rapto-De-U-vn175269-vst218
Thank you. I'll leave sjpdp on June 1st though. Thanks anyway
It appears women have the instinct they rely on. If you feel someone ahead makes you uncomfortable whip out your cell phone first and pretend as if you are talking with someone on the phone as you approach. If the person says something to you, pretend that you are asking for excuses as if you say " excuse me, someone here is asking me a question" before you respond to the person.
I'd been debating whether to bring my pepper spray, buy some in Spain, or just hope that I'll be safe. Is pepper spray legal to carry in Spain?
Dear Pilgrims,
There has been some improper behavior reported towards women over the last few weeks on the stage between Astorga and Rabanal. These reports are sufficiently credible that we would like to make a general advisory that pilgrims walking alone on this section of the Camino Frances, might want to walk in pairs or groups. This is the general area where Denise the missing pilgrims was last seen a few weeks ago. The local police are still working on finding Denise and also are aware of these latest occurrences.
The Camino has been a very safe place, and it still is, but it only takes a few to make the situation more uncertain. This message is not made to scare anyone, but more to inform of the situation, so that if you are walking this section in the next few days/weeks can make the necessary adjustments and find a walking parter.
If you decide to comment on this thread, please try to stay away from speculations, so that this thread can become a place where pilgrims can come and learn "what we actually know", and not rumors or speculations around this topic. The mods will help me with this.
Buen Camino!
Ivar
I've stopped walking with my headphones during my training walks and just take in the scenery and sounds. This is practice for the camino to be in the moment but also to be aware of my surroundings........ But I guess in the end you never know how you will act. It will be instinctual. I knew 2 fellow female students long ago who were mugged. One froze as in a trance and the other one fought. Neither one ever predicted how she wound up reacting.
Hi Cindy, I leave Victoria, BC Sept 21 for Madrid, but will stay over one night then on to Pamplona for another night, then to SJdP to purchase poles & poncho, then one more night….so looks like I would start my walk approx Sept 25, all of October and a couple of days in Nov. I see you're from Col; my daughter lives near 'The Springs'. Thanks for your post.I am also walking alone Sept/Oct. When and where are you starting from? Cindy
If pepper spray is illegal, what kinda precautions can single female pilgrims make?
same here, will be staring my camino June 4th alone and getting a lil worried!
If pepper spray is illegal, what kinda precautions can single female pilgrims make?
Viranani has had the good sense and taken the initiative to start a new thread, whereby you can hope to find and join up with other Pilgrims. See the above link.Since no-one seems to have created a thread for those who want walking companions, I just did:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/ill-walk-with-you.33777/
We take care of each other here...everyone's posts are very heartening. (BTW, I echo the 'no fear' comments. There are many pilgrims now and by and large we DO take care of each other.)
On to sprays. Read the following sentence fully. Sprays are illegal, as are all devices that fire gases or aerosols, together with any devices that include a mechanism capable of projecting narcotics, toxins or corrosives; however personal defense sprays are allowed if they are of a type permitted by the Spanish ministry of health and carried by someone over the age of 18 (who must be able to prove their age using an identity card, passport or residence permit). The law goes on to state that these self-defense sprays are of the type most typically found in “armerias” (specialist shops).Confirmed: pepper spray is illegal to carry in Spain, as another commenter pointed out.
It is not my intention to be rude or disrespectful, but I must to respond to your comment.Please don't carry pepper spray.
That is SUCH overkill.
People, this is ONE tiny 12 mile (+/-) section of a FIVE HUNDRED MILE LONG Camino where all you need to do is walk with a buddy or group for a few kilometers. There have been no reports of any problems anywhere else along the route.
I live in Portland, Oregon.
There were 3 gang related shootings here Wednesday night.
Several people were killed.
I'm still walking to the park today and I'm not afraid of getting shot.
Was there violence in the town where you live last week?
Please put this into perspective.
Hey, thanks.
Im walking cf alone in June. Was wondering if any groups or anyone will be in this area mid June so i can walk with someone??
Thanks
Thank you for posting this, Ivar. My mother and I walked this section on Sunday and although we are slow walkers there was never a shortage of other pilgrims in front and behind us. We also (on Saturday) walked the alternative section from Murias to Castrillo. Interestingly the only time on the whole Camino so far I have felt really unsafe - but from the traffic, which was very fast and quite heavy.Dear Pilgrims,
There has been some improper behavior reported towards women over the last few weeks on the stage between Astorga and Rabanal. These reports are sufficiently credible that we would like to make a general advisory that pilgrims walking alone on this section of the Camino Frances, might want to walk in pairs or groups. This is the general area where Denise the missing pilgrims was last seen a few weeks ago. The local police are still working on finding Denise and also are aware of these latest occurrences.
The Camino has been a very safe place, and it still is, but it only takes a few to make the situation more uncertain. This message is not made to scare anyone, but more to inform of the situation, so that if you are walking this section in the next few days/weeks can make the necessary adjustments and find a walking parter.
If you decide to comment on this thread, please try to stay away from speculations, so that this thread can become a place where pilgrims can come and learn "what we actually know", and not rumors or speculations around this topic. The mods will help me with this.
Buen Camino!
Ivar
I have the same feeling, I want to do this camino, but now I feel that I have to be overly alert. I do not want to spoil the magic of the camino, but at the same time, it sounds more necessary than ever to pay attention. I walk a different camino (Primitivo) and I know it is not anywhere near as busy as the CF, thats why I loved it and thats why I chose to do it again. What happened to Marc31 on the Primitiv just days ago it is unnerving, and I should be there Sat 23 (Escamplero).
Not nice, I hope and wish that something good will come from this situation. Meanwhile I am more than happy to join a thread for solo walkers
You'll be safe. And I wouldn't start tying yourself down by trying to make plans in advance to walk with people for safety. There will be PLENTY of people the first day, you won't be alone. And even if you were, you are over 300 miles from where these instances took place. And by the time you get to Astorga you'll have NO problem finding who YOU want to walk with for a day or two for safety.Same here. It took me a long time to convince myself that I would be ok traveling alone. I booked my flight and now I am feeling nervous all over again after reading post on the missing pilgrim and improper behavior. This couldn't come in worse time for me. I will be taking train to SJ on Aug 25th planning to start the Camino on the 26th and reaching Roncesvalles on the first day. If anyone has similar plans and would like to walk together over the mountains let me know, please.
I agree with you totally - this new situation of vigilance may mean that those who walk fast or with longer strides may need to slow down a bit to accompany someone who is walking more slowly or has shorter legs (like me!) . As I said in another thread, I often found myself walking alone because I was slower or later in the day. I love walking alone and am so glad I had this experience before being woken up to the real possible dangers, but there were times when I wished there was someone in sight - either in front or behind. that was in April though and I am sure the Camino is busier now. Buen Camino all who are walking and may your path be as beautiful as mine was.In addition to walking with a partner or in a group....can I suggest everyone keep your eyes open and alert for the women that might somehow find themselves walking alone suddenly? Paces change, people detour and stop for rest. A woman may suddenly not be in a group any longer. Maybe warn that person if you see she is about to be alone? As everyone says, it seems like it may be crowded but as it gets later in the day, that may be less likely?
Popa, where did you get the T-Shirt ?Thank you for this post.
@Jola Dvr , and others,
As grayland keeps saying, Don't walk with fear. And as AugustCaminoDeb keeps saying, Knowledge is power. Obviously we all want the Camino to be a safe place, and we pilgrims can keep building into a culture of safety by looking out for each other and helping each other out. Unfortunately, though, the reality is that recently in this stretch there have been dangerous incidents such as stun gun use and an attempted kidnapping. The purpose of a thread like this is to raise our awareness so that we can adjust to the new recent reality and prepare ourselves, *so that* we can walk boldly on. Don't be anxious about anything, keep your wits about you, and take care of your fellow pilgrims. Enjoy all the rest of your planning and Buen Camino!
Faith
I also appreciate the information and the balanced responses. I have often read that in the past pilgrims would meet at towns like St. Jean to form into groups for comradeship and protection. There is something appropriate about using the walk to meet up with others and not being put off by apprehension. Thanks to the community.Dear Pilgrims,
There has been some improper behavior reported towards women over the last few weeks on the stage between Astorga and Rabanal. These reports are sufficiently credible that we would like to make a general advisory that pilgrims walking alone on this section of the Camino Frances, might want to walk in pairs or groups. This is the general area where Denise the missing pilgrims was last seen a few weeks ago. The local police are still working on finding Denise and also are aware of these latest occurrences.
The Camino has been a very safe place, and it still is, but it only takes a few to make the situation more uncertain. This message is not made to scare anyone, but more to inform of the situation, so that if you are walking this section in the next few days/weeks can make the necessary adjustments and find a walking parter.
If you decide to comment on this thread, please try to stay away from speculations, so that this thread can become a place where pilgrims can come and learn "what we actually know", and not rumors or speculations around this topic. The mods will help me with this.
Buen Camino!
Ivar
I too had packed a whistle, but I do this regularly when I hike alone, but not out of fear - more for if I'm injured and there's no immediately help in sight. Many cultures have their own version of the 'Evil eye', so someone from let's say Greece, would recognize one in Spain. I have a feeling I won't need my whistle, but it's always on me. Buen CanimoMentioned on other posts, I'm taking a storm whistle attached to the front of my backpack. This is touted to be the loudest whistle in the world. Someone said they were left alone by gypsies owing to the fact he wore a Turkish evil eye bead. Is that too much? If I happen to run into one while shopping I might consider it.
"As long as you continue to be afraid, the bad guy is in control," and I refuse to allow that!
I deleted my response and took it to PM.
Sorry.
Thank you for this post. I am hesitant to share this with immediate family. Would it be appropriate to start a thread for solo females beginning the Camino within the next month or so, or should we reply here? I am solo beginning in SJPdP June 25.
Hi HeatherSolo female beginning in late July. I'd very much like to see a separate thread for solo females starting in the next few months so that we can ensure we all have a plan B to keep safe. Thank you and Buen Camino to all. Xo
I walked today from Astorga to Rabanal leaving at 7am. Lots of pilgrims all the way. I have tendonitis so walked really slowly but had either someone with me or in sight all the time. Nothing to worry about if you leave early, plenty of pilgrims on the trailThere is a lot of pilgrims walking now. Should not be a problem.
Probably about the same here....I have been leaving about 645am.....you will know what time to get up due to all the others rustling about...has always been people in front and behind me at that time. Have spent quite a lot of time walking by myself with others in sight....lots of people around now so think it can only get busier. Sure you will be fine and if you don't feel comfortable wait for someone to catch up....everyone is very friendly.Hi can someone tell me what time is first light now In Spain it's about 6am here in Ireland. I think some of the best advice is in connection with walk early walk with the wave the later in the day one leaves it is likely that later means less people.
Thanks in advance
Rita
I walked today from Astorga to Rabanal leaving at 7am. Lots of pilgrims all the way. I have tendonitis so walked really slowly but had either someone with me or in sight all the time. Nothing to worry about if you leave early, plenty of pilgrims on the trail
Having trained with pepper spray (OC capsicum 5-10%). Carried pepper spray on duty. Been sprayed with the stuff during training and having sprayed it on an individual and also having been the recipient of unintended spraying from a fellow cop who was spraying a suspect I was fighting, I can say without a doubt it's good stuff. Shuts me down instantly. If you carry it and do have to use it, spray for the eyes/forehead and run like hell. Oh, and as Annie mentioned, don't spray against the wind.I don't think there is any reason to panic or carry pepper spray, which can harm you as much as the bad dude if you spray it in the wind.
Simply walk with a buddy in this area until the bad guys have been caught.
Just like you would if you were walking in any remote area in the USA.
Hi I have been leaving about 645am it is just about light and lots in front and behind of me....you will know when people are leaving due to all the rustling going on. You will easily find someone to walk with of if you want to walk alone just keep people in sight either in front or behind you....the Camino is busier than I expected it to be now so think it can only get busier. You will be fine...if you feel uneasy just wait for someone to catch you up....everyone is very friendly.....I have walked with a German and a French woman who had very litlle English and I had very little of their languages but we still had great fun....Hi can someone tell me what time is first light now In Spain it's about 6am here in Ireland. I think some of the best advice is in connection with walk early walk with the wave the later in the day one leaves it is likely that later means less people.
Thanks in advance
Rita
Confirmed: pepper spray is illegal to carry in Spain, as another commenter pointed out.
Hi Ellie....my 20year old son is arriving in SJPP on the 15th June, if you happen to bump into him, he's a good young man and very sensible. His name is Alex, he is also doing it alone.Hey, thanks.
Im walking cf alone in June. Was wondering if any groups or anyone will be in this area mid June so i can walk with someone??
Thanks
Solo female beginning in late July. I'd very much like to see a separate thread for solo females starting in the next few months so that we can ensure we all have a plan B to keep safe.
AMEN to that . on all counts . thank you Rebecca.I take crimes and criminals seriously, and I am not lacking in compassion for victims, but I am amazed at the fear I see here.
The Camino de Santiago is one of the safest places on earth, even if you figure in the two unrelated events that have everyone so stirred up. If a woman disappeared, and another woman was accosted by strangers in a place nearby within a month, in just about any place in North America or Western Europe, it probably wouldn't even make the B section of the paper.
I think people are wound-up because we've come to imagine the Camino as a lovely Neverland where fear, crime, and death dare not occur... but sadly, the Camino is still part of Planet Earth, complete with creeps, accidents, cops, and unsolved crimes.
IMHO, Everyone needs to calm the hell down. The camino has survived worse.
Keep on walking. St. James, protect us.
I am with Reb. Let it rest. Stop giving the issue power. Trust God and walk......Buen camino!
Everyone needs to calm the hell down. The camino has survived worse.
Keep on walking. St. James, protect us.
I take crimes and criminals seriously, and I am not lacking in compassion for victims, but I am amazed at the fear I see here.
The Camino de Santiago is one of the safest places on earth, even if you figure in the two unrelated events that have everyone so stirred up. If a woman disappeared, and another woman was accosted by strangers in a place nearby within a month, in just about any place in North America or Western Europe, it probably wouldn't even make the B section of the paper.
I think people are wound-up because we've come to imagine the Camino as a lovely Neverland where fear, crime, and death dare not occur... but sadly, the Camino is still part of Planet Earth, complete with creeps, accidents, cops, and unsolved crimes.
IMHO, Everyone needs to calm the hell down. The camino has survived worse.
Keep on walking. St. James, protect us.
Hi Alex. Haven't seen you lately. Are you still in Spain?Rebekah is simply spot on. Calm down. If you still have fears, team up. But no need.
Just home. Woman happy, at least. Will make a post when I can find out how to.... For now, I am very happy that 2 of my camino friends, one from Frances and the other from VdlP, met this afternoon on the Portuguese and realized we were common friends! How good can that be? The world is indeed a small place.Hi Alex. Haven't seen you lately. Are you still in Spain?
I've never heard the saying, but I like it and will "borrow" it. Welcome home..
You know the saying?:
"Good decisions come from experience. Experience comes from bad decisions.".
may your feet be happy feet whenever they touch the ground on your next camino and be not deterred .... proceed with confidence while keeping common sense in your orbit and you will be well.Yes I agree with you Rebekah, it was beginning to feel a bit like the rabbit caught In headlights scenario, so dazed by the headlights that that's all he could see! When in actual fact if he turned around on three other sides there was alternatives. Just like here, let's try look at the positives of which there are many and pray for safe journeys, isn't that all we should ever do in all aspects of life anyway.
Buen Camino everyone
may your feet be happy feet whenever they touch the ground on your next camino and be not deterred .... proceed with confidence while keeping common sense in your orbit and you will be well.
headlights & rabbits have their place, fear has a purpose too ... but lets not be captured by either of them, as you so well pointed out too.
wish i had a spiffy quote to add about all this - but only an old bumpersticker comes to mind from a local clothing store here: "Choose Love, not Fear" -
very best wishes, c
Thank you, Annie. I'm not afraid. I'm going in Sept.-Oct., but it's a comfort to have the perspective of someone experienced as you are. And the city where I live, St. Louis, is one of the most violent in the nation. I love following all of what you share. Thank you.Please don't carry pepper spray.
That is SUCH overkill.
People, this is ONE tiny 12 mile (+/-) section of a FIVE HUNDRED MILE LONG Camino where all you need to do is walk with a buddy or group for a few kilometers. There have been no reports of any problems anywhere else along the route.
I live in Portland, Oregon.
There were 3 gang related shootings here Wednesday night.
Several people were killed.
I'm still walking to the park today and I'm not afraid of getting shot.
Was there violence in the town where you live last week?
Please put this into perspective.
spot-ONHere's a spiffy quotation I read in a "Dear Abby" column: follow the instructions on the mayonnaise jar--Keep Cool, but Don't Freeze!!
Hi Maggie I'm leaving with a group from Australia and arriving barcelona 21 sept, sleeping near roncevalles 22 sept and starting to walk from SJDP 23 , might see you along the way buen camino xHi Cindy, I leave Victoria, BC Sept 21 for Madrid, but will stay over one night then on to Pamplona for another night, then to SJdP to purchase poles & poncho, then one more night….so looks like I would start my walk approx Sept 25, all of October and a couple of days in Nov. I see you're from Col; my daughter lives near 'The Springs'. Thanks for your post.
Thanks Much, tomorrow week I'll be in St Jean looking forward to the adventure.may your feet be happy feet whenever they touch the ground on your next camino and be not deterred .... proceed with confidence while keeping common sense in your orbit and you will be well.
headlights & rabbits have their place, fear has a purpose too ... but lets not be captured by either of them, as you so well pointed out too.
wish i had a spiffy quote to add about all this - but only an old bumpersticker comes to mind from a local clothing store here: "Choose Love, not Fear" -
very best wishes, c
I'll remember your name….safe journey. Buen caminoHi Maggie I'm leaving with a group from Australia and arriving barcelona 21 sept, sleeping near roncevalles 22 sept and starting to walk from SJDP 23 , might see you along the way buen camino x
Hey, thanks.
Im walking cf alone in June. Was wondering if any groups or anyone will be in this area mid June so i can walk with someone??
Thanks
Hi Maggie,Would be great if we were to meet up around this area and walk together to get past it…..but I don't start my walk (SJdP) until approx Sept 23/24 and all of October; few days in November...
Hi Elizabeth, that's two names I will remember now who are walking at that time. But should I not meet up with either of you,Hi Maggie,
I also start walking from SJDP on approx these dates. Maybe we will meet up at dome stage.
Hi Maggie, I will arrive in SJPP from Australia on Sept 26 and will start walk on Sept 28. My daughter has been worried about the attack and the missing pilgrim so I would love to meet up with another pilgrim to walk together.Would be great if we were to meet up around this area and walk together to get past it…..but I don't start my walk (SJdP) until approx Sept 23/24 and all of October; few days in November...