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The municipal in Burgos. I can't remember what time they open the doors in morning, but I met up with a guy who wanted to start early, but couldn't because he was locked in.
Maybe he didn't realize that.When I stayed there in 2016 you could just push the horizontal bar across the main door and you were out in the street. Buen Camino, SY
But I am not interested in tales of derring-do from yesteryear.
Note that notion900 is looking for specific instances.I am interested in fire safety. For a building to be fire safe you should never need to do 'research' to get out. That is my point in starting this thread.
I am interested in fire safety. For a building to be fire safe you should never need to do 'research' to get out. That is my point in starting this thread.
My God I feel like im in the Hotel California you can check out anytime you want but you can never leave!The municipal in Burgos. I can't remember what time they open the doors in morning, but I met up with a guy who wanted to start early, but couldn't because he was locked in.
Some pubs in Ireland have lock ins but that's only to keep the authorities out after official closingCalm down peregrin@s, that really is a thing of the distant past ;-) Even if a place states 'you can't leave before xyz hours' they still have an emergency exit route for - emergencies ;-) BC SY
PS If you really come across the very, very, very odd case that does this - please report them to the local authorities as it is illegal!
I am interested in fire safety. For a building to be fire safe you should never need to do 'research' to get out. That is my point in starting this thread.
Further to recent discussion on another thread, I was wondering if there were any albergues on any of the caminos covered by this forum which still lock people in at night, i.e. they cannot open the main door from the inside in the event of an emergency?
Please only give information on this thread if you know that this is current (i.e. seen in 2017) practice at the albergue in question. I will make a list for the resource section if need be.
Well, you sure take all the fun out of the, "My cousin worked with this guy, who had a neighbor, who found out from her mail carrier that twenty years ago on the Camino that . . . " posts.
Note that notion900 is looking for specific instances.
She is to be commended for her efforts.
It is also a hobby horse of mine.
I have several times over the years raised hell over unsafe conditions in hostels. One of the worst incidents I was involved with is noted in Wikipedia. I find it helpful to imagine what 15 burnt youngsters look like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childers_Palace_Backpackers_Hostel_fire
Always ensure you check the your fire exits in any accommodation.
Regards
Gerard
Would you be willing to post this (in simple English) in a review on www.gronze.com ? Spanish hospitaleros rarely read this forum, but I think they do read Gronze, as it's one of the most influential sites for Spanish pilgrims.Yes. I was locked in Salamanca april 2017.
Very rare but it happens. I normally check and leave if i find it so
Where in Salamanca?Yes. I was locked in Salamanca april 2017.
Very rare but it happens. I normally check and leave if i find it so
Yes it is true, it happened to me 3 days ago. i was a few Km from isla on the camino norte about 350 km from santiago. a small nice little albergue /bar / restaurant and i was locked in with 2 big wood doors and no way out except a 3 story window down to pavement. i didnt realize it at the time ,but when i was ready to go in the morning i was stuck, i tried everything, then finally at 7:00 am i started knocking very loudly , the lady woke up and her husband came out and unlocked the doors. i was really pissed. this should be illegal, i am a big strong guy and could have broken the doors in case of fire, but if it was a small person they might die if there was a fire. this could be very serious. im sure people would like to know the name etc, but i want you to just check before and think ahead. no need to do anything else. if the owners do this practice it is their country and their property. so just tell them you will not agree to this practice and you will not stay unless they allow you a key. that is my approach. shawn corriganFurther to recent discussion on another thread, I was wondering if there were any albergues on any of the caminos covered by this forum which still lock people in at night, i.e. they cannot open the main door from the inside in the event of an emergency?
Please only give information on this thread if you know that this is current (i.e. seen in 2017) practice at the albergue in question. I will make a list for the resource section if need be.
i'm telling you it is real. I dont have the info to do the reporting(I could spend some time and find the name of the town if i was asked), i dont like using the government for forcing people either.that is my opinion and i am not wanting any discussion on that topic,but i just want people to know that it is real,and they should think ahead and not assume that a building has everything they way they think it should be. many buildings are very old and have some quirks. i agree that it should be perfect in regards to fire safety but i accept that it is not. shawnCalm down peregrin@s, that really is a thing of the distant past ;-) Even if a place states 'you can't leave before xyz hours' they still have an emergency exit route for - emergencies ;-) BC SY
PS If you really come across the very, very, very odd case that does this - please report them to the local authorities as it is illegal!
Yes it is true, it happened to me 3 days ago.
I'm telling you it
i'm telling you it is real. I dont have the info to do the reporting(I could spend some time and find the name of the town if i was asked), i dont like using the government for forcing people either.that is my opinion and i am not wanting any discussion on that topic,but i just want people to know that it is real,and they should think ahead and not assume that a building has everything they way they think it should be. many buildings are very old and have some quirks. i agree that it should be perfect in regards to fire safety but i accept that it is not. shawn
It only takes one. I wouldn't personally feel comfortable sleeping in a building that I could not escape from. Fires can start for any number of reasons especially if the wiring is old and in poor repair. A hostal can be quirky but it must also be safe. Any building that allows access to the public should be rated by the local Fire dept and proof displayed in the entrance to say that it is so . An unhindered viable means of escape in the event of a fire etc should also be pointed out to patrons on admittance.Would be good to name the albergue here to warn others.
I don't think 'old buildings' is ever an excuse to lock a front door from the inside and not leave the key visible.
By starting this discussion I am encouraging people to post a 'NO' review about any albergues they find doing this on www.gronze.com as this website is widely influential in Spain and is certainly read by albergue owners.
I appreciate @SYates 's comment that not many do it. which is why there is no excuse for anyone to endanger people like this.
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Tell the local authorities - again, how you do this isn't easy, if you don't speak Spanish and will be leaving early the next morning ...
Yes. I was locked in Salamanca april 2017.
Very rare but it happens. I normally check and leave if i find it so
Very interested to hear Salamanca albergue (not commercial) is still being locked and it's not possible to get out. ... Not comfortable with being locked in, even if there is an internal courtyard.
Some lock you in ...
I can't remember b/c I don't stay there anymore, but Joe's coming over for a meeting tonight and he has a memory like an elephant. He'll remember the name. I just remember REALLY being concerned that if there was a fire, there was no escape.Which are the ones that really lock you in? BC SY
I can't remember b/c I don't stay there anymore, but Joe's coming over for a meeting tonight and he has a memory like an elephant. He'll remember the name. I just remember REALLY being concerned that if there was a fire, there was no escape.
We just came back from walking Burgos to Leon. At the Parrochial Albergue de Santa Maria in Carrion de Los Condes we were told that the door would be unlocked at 6am but not before. There was a queue of people waiting to get out by the time it opened. I questioned the hospitalero/volunteer about it as we were leaving. She made the following points:
1. If we allowed people to leave earlier nobody would get any sleep because some people would get up at 3.30 etc.
2. There is an emergency exit through the garage, and if you follow the fire exit signs it will take you that way
3. This was confirmed by some Camino friends of ours, who actually left the Albergue at 11pm, so they could walk the first stretch (17km) where there are no services, by the light of the full moon.
What secrecy reasons?
The municipal in Burgos is weird. Mandatory departure 08:00, and at 07:55 the guy turned off the lights, leaving more than a dozen pilgrims trying to find shoes, backpacks, sticks, etc. in the dark. I and at least one other said out loud that unexpected blindness is not going to speed us up!The municipal in Burgos. I can't remember what time they open the doors in morning, but I met up with a guy who wanted to start early, but couldn't because he was locked in.
Looking forward to Joe's answer! BC SY
Wait, wait, they have them in some sort of data base? Love it.I now have a number to call when this happens again. They will not be allowed to sleep in Galicia mini Alburgues for a year. Sorry. And please no debate.
Yes read the house rules in the Alburgue muniWait, wait, they have them in some sort of data base? Love it.
El Acebo is one of the very few places where I ever remember being locked up. The water being turned off had something to do with the big pool another albergue or hotel had. In 2016 they were making jokes about bed bugs but still seemed to try to fight them. However, we did get bites there. Not long after El Acebo a lot of people started having stomach problems. It might have absolutely nothing to do with the place but the lack of water for flushing the toilets or washing your hands made you feel a bit yucky about the place. Being locked up for the night seemed like a minor thing.The only albergue where I have experienced a lock-in is Meson El Acebo in Acebo on the Frances. Also the water was turned off at night so one couldn't flush the toilets until the owners opened up at 8am. It is also the only albergue that I have been bitten by bed bugs. And I stayed there twice on separate caminos. Same both times. How stupid can I be!
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