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Seek and ye shall find! Have found some albergues turfing out the previous nights residents are doing brekkie and will cheerfully sell you a coffee!In the cities and larger towns you should find places open early. I am thinking of places like Logrono, Burgos, Leon, Astorga, etc. Otherwise, you mightn't find anything open before 0830 to 0900. Some places, like panaderias, seem to be open early as well, and serve coffee.
Terrific idea- I do have some of those- do you think I might find hot water?A notable alternative is to pack a few sticks of the Necafe soluable packets and mix with some hot water.
A worthwhile item to bring along for those of us who enjoy a cup of tea or coffee is portable heater. Here is an example of several: https://prnt.sc/nCzP6BXJgY82Terrific idea- I do have some of those- do you think I might find hot water?
Maybe. Maybe not. I love coffee and was not sure how I would function without it first thing in the morning. Most of the places I stayed that offered breakfast, didn't serve until after 7am. I was usually long gone by then and would stop at the first open bar/cafe I came to, usually around 8 or 9am.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
I have thought I might have to let go of this habit - just scared of caffeine withdrawal headaches1. You could chill a bit and discover about coffee and other issues as you walk. Expecting it to be like home seems somewhat unusual to my mind.
2. I have found just getting up and walking for an hour or so (you are unlikely to die) and then finding a coffee works for many people. It could possibly be a behaviour you take home.
2. On the Via de la Plata I had coffee at a few bars at 5:30 am open for the farm workers and the occasional stray pilgrim. I didn’t know about this before hand. In those places I didn’t need to walk the hour or two.
I discovered them on the Via F. in Italy and was actually surprised that I liked them so well in a pinch, but I chose to purchase the ones with powdered cream in them. They were more enjoyable than any drip coffee albergues served with breakfast over the years. That said, nothing beats a bar's "cafe con leche" imo.A notable alternative is to pack a few sticks of the Necafe soluable packets and mix with some hot water.
You could start testing that theory out now - go on an hour's walk before coffee every morning and see how it goes. If you can't get out and walk in the morning because of work or other obligations, you could start delaying your coffee little by little each day.I have thought I might have to let go of this habit - just scared of caffeine withdrawal headaches
Start imaging it. Start your morning at 530-6 and you will be one of the late risers. That first coffee about 5k later is the best. The Camino determines your routine.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Terrible idea. Wake up, get dressed, wash face, brush teeth, backpack on your back, and start walking. Before you know it there there will be a bar ahead doing a bustling business serving coffee and more. Limiting your self to just coffee because ahead about another hour is another bar. Time for second coffee and a little breakfast. Without much effort you've already completed 10k.Terrific idea- I do have some of those- do you think I might find hot water?
Having faith that you are a coffee drinker I’m getting the visual and will try to embrace! Does that theory work walking out of SJPP? Thought only place was Orisson.Terrible idea. Wake up, get dressed, wash face, brush teeth, backpack on your back, and start walking. Before you know it there there will be a bar ahead doing a bustling business serving coffee and more. Limiting your self to just coffee because ahead about another hour is another bar. Time for second coffee and a little breakfast. Without much effort you've already completed 10k.
Maybe you could take some candy with coffee flavour and reál coffeine.I have thought I might have to let go of this habit - just scared of caffeine withdrawal headaches
No, not generally. Many cafes along the way do not open until 0700 or later.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
I am very much like you in that regard but I learned is that some mornings I had to walk a few hours before I got my coffee. What I found through walking the Camino is that I am much more flexible that I ever would have imagined. Buen CaminoI’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
I totally understand this. Last year I brought some instant coffee and most of the times there was a water cooker! I’ll start next week on the CF and will bring my coffeeI’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Excellent, me too . During the afternoon walk I also find my arrows out of town. That way next morning, I start the day with a direction.I usually scout around the afternoon/evening befire to see if there is something that will open early.
The bakeries (panadería) are often open early, but sadly seldom have coffee. The fresh offerings will usually make up for the lack of coffee.
A couple of things:I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Do most albergues have a microwave ?Throw a bunch of instant coffee single serve packets in your pack with perhaps a lightweight, microwave safe cup and play the rest by ear. You'll see what I mean once you start walking.
Do most albergues have a microwave ?
This is an excellent “water boiler” - I bought several others which were no good and ended up with this one.A worthwhile item to bring along for those of us who enjoy a cup of tea or coffee is portable heater. Here is an example of several: https://prnt.sc/nCzP6BXJgY82
This may work on the Francés, but not on the lesser walked caminos.Terrible idea. Wake up, get dressed, wash face, brush teeth, backpack on your back, and start walking. Before you know it there there will be a bar ahead doing a bustling business serving coffee and more. Limiting your self to just coffee because ahead about another hour is another bar. Time for second coffee and a little breakfast. Without much effort you've already completed 10k.
The “Daybreak” looks very good. Can you get it in Spain? I do not like the instant coffee I have found in Spain and bring the Carte Noir instant from France.Two recommendations (in addition to the great advice above):
1) Caffeinated chewing gum from Japan, "Black Black" - very helpful in a pinch, available on Amazon.
2) Instant coffee "Daybreak" from Ferris Coffee. Folgers and Nescafe are also good, but this one has body and richness which are surprising. Also very good mixed with cold water (not all instant coffees are).
Instant Coffee Made for the Trail
When we set out to make a coffee for all of our customers who are on the go, we wanted to keep the quality of our craft consistent. “We’ve played around with formats such as single serve in the past for instance, but couldn’t get the coffee to taste up to the standards we’d want our customers to...ferriscoffee.com
Where did you buy this? The coffeeTwo recommendations (in addition to the great advice above):
1) Caffeinated chewing gum from Japan, "Black Black" - very helpful in a pinch, available on Amazon.
2) Instant coffee "Daybreak" from Ferris Coffee. Folgers and Nescafe are also good, but this one has body and richness which are surprising. Also very good mixed with cold water (not all instant coffees are).
Instant Coffee Made for the Trail
When we set out to make a coffee for all of our customers who are on the go, we wanted to keep the quality of our craft consistent. “We’ve played around with formats such as single serve in the past for instance, but couldn’t get the coffee to taste up to the standards we’d want our customers to...ferriscoffee.com
I looked on the site, and it doesn't appear to be available yet. I doubt that this small US coffee company will be exporting to Spain, but who knows?The “Daybreak” looks very good. Can you get it in Spain? I do not like the instant coffee I have found in Spain and bring the Carte Noir instant from France.
This is a great topic with many threads. Last year, I took instant coffee packets, a 220v immersion heater and a REI cup recommended by someone on this forum. I got up 30 minutes before departure, made my coffee and drank it while packing my bag and other "duties". Coffee is a staple and should not be hard to find, but I never wanted to take a chance. Buen Camino!I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks
I too like the Carte Noir instant coffee from FranceThe “Daybreak” looks very good. Can you get it in Spain? I do not like the instant coffee I have found in Spain and bring the Carte Noir instant from France.
There is a place, halfway between! Warm and rejuvenating all around, especially in the rain or on shocked legs. Nice people and nice morning coffeeHaving faith that you are a coffee drinker I’m getting the visual and will try to embrace! Does that theory work walking out of SJPP? Thought only place was Orisson.
I hear you. I'm the same way. If there isn't a coffee machine, you should come across a place with coffee, usually within 2 hours. If you are using the Brierley book, the maps will show a tiny coffee cup, to indicate a cafe bar Along the way.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Which is exactly what I do. I carry the Carte Noir refill and with the lightweight spoon put the dose I want into an equally lightweight plastic beaker in which I have heated the water. Thus avoiding some unnecessary weight and equally unnecessary rubbish…I'd say if a morning cup of Joe is that important bring a little clip on water boiler, a lightweight cup and a Ziploc baggie full of your favorite instant coffee, and of course you can get instant in Spain as well.
it looks like the tubes that it comes in are bulkier/heavier than something like Starbuck's Via
I am female as well and walking alone -I hear you. I'm the same way. If there isn't a coffee machine, you should come across a place with coffee, usually within 2 hours. If you are using the Brierley book, the maps will show a tiny coffee cup, to indicate a cafe bar Along the way.
Bring a headlamp--you will need it to see the Camino arrows until the sun comes up.
I'm female and didn't feel comfortable walking alone before sunrise. If you're female, you might want to stay close to other walkers until the sun comes up.
I always bring a small hard plastic container and try to obtain a pastry, croissant, etc the day before to take with me to eat the next day, if I get hungry before I reach a cafe bar in the morning.
Thank you for suggestions - I am female and will definitely find others to walk with in darknessI hear you. I'm the same way. If there isn't a coffee machine, you should come across a place with coffee, usually within 2 hours. If you are using the Brierley book, the maps will show a tiny coffee cup, to indicate a cafe bar Along the way.
Bring a headlamp--you will need it to see the Camino arrows until the sun comes up.
I'm female and didn't feel comfortable walking alone before sunrise. If you're female, you might want to stay close to other walkers until the sun comes up.
I always bring a small hard plastic container and try to obtain a pastry, croissant, etc the day before to take with me to eat the next day, if I get hungry before I reach a cafe bar in the morning.
What is a water cooker!!???I totally understand this. Last year I brought some instant coffee and most of the times there was a water cooker! I’ll start next week on the CF and will bring my coffee
Me, too! The fresh squeezed orange juice is far better than any I have had fresh in the US and I ordered it often whenever I saw one of those "machines" behind the bar. The color of the orange juice is always so bright and vivid; ours pale in comparison and are not nearly as naturally sweet.What I cannot miss is a great, freshly squeezed orange juice after breakfast
Electric water boiler. Pitcher sitting on a heating element you boil water in. I too have seen quite a few in albergue.What is a water cooker!!???
Oh! you mean a kettle? Cultural differences. Electric kettles are normal in most places....but maybe not in USA?? I live in New Zealand. Happy travels and I totally understand the need to find coffee...but real coffeeElectric water boiler. Pitcher sitting on a heating element you boil water in. I too have seen quite a few in albergue.
I brought a ziplock with instant coffee and a microwave safe cup. One of the first things in the trash was coffee in the ziplock. Cafe con leche worth the wait. On the other hand the cup is going with me on my second Camino.Throw a bunch of instant coffee single serve packets in your pack with perhaps a lightweight, microwave safe cup and play the rest by ear. You'll see what I mean once you start walking.
Yes, cups like that are quite handy on the Camino. I've even used them for drinking water at fountains. I don't drink out of my water bottles and just use the cup which is clipped to the outside of my pack. The cup is about 250-300 ml so drinking two full cups at the fountain is about the equivalent of my 500 ml water bottle.The bottles stay filled and I drink them if I need them.I brought a ziplock with instant coffee and a microwave safe cup. One of the first things in the trash was coffee in the ziplock. Cafe con leche worth the wait. On the other hand the cup is going with me on my second Camino.
Update: This is no longer being produced, sadly. From Ferris Coffee:Thank you Trecile - I am sad to see Daybreak instant coffee is no longer available online. ... I emailed the company to ask what happened and if/where it is available.
What is the correct English wordWhat is a water cooker!!???
Kettle, but you might 'cook' water in any cooking pot.What is the correct English word
On the contrary, see my post #56!All this talk about coffee (which I love), no mention of chocolate. I'm just saying!!
I’ve done this...usually find a microwave in Albergues. I like the Starbucks Via best of all the instant options. It at least gets me to the first real cafe, as I’m not legal in public without caffeine.Terrific idea- I do have some of those- do you think I might find hot water?
As others have already said, you'll generally be able to find coffee early. But if you worry about an occasional unavailability, there are several alternatives. Some you'd have to buy the day before, but some are amenable to putting in your mochila long before, or even before leaving home.I have thought I might have to let go of this habit - just scared of caffeine withdrawal headaches
My Dutch friends (fluent in English) called it a "boiler." But "electric kettle" is common in USA. I've heard others but they don't come to mind at the moment.A kettle - either one that you put on a stove or an electric kettle.
They're not as wide used in USA but they are not hard to find. Models intended for water, but also plug-in percolators. Neither would I recommend to take up space in your mochila!Oh! you mean a kettle? Cultural differences. Electric kettles are normal in most places....but maybe not in USA?? I live in New Zealand. Happy travels and I totally understand the need to find coffee...but real coffee
I know this feeling so this time i will leave my sleeping bag and take this :I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Hope this helps; definition from Wikipedia :My Dutch friends (fluent in English) called it a "boiler." But "electric kettle" is common in USA. I've heard others but they don't come to mind at the moment.
There's a Starbucks in SJPDP and one next to the McDonald's in Orrison.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
Were you able to fly with the fuel? I’ve never really understood what I believe to be the prohibition - if there’s a fire in the hold sufficient to light a packet of esbit fuel I’m fairly sure the pilots’ got more to think about than your coffee-making equipment ..I'm another of those early walkers and I'm beyond a coffee lover... I'm a coffee NEEDER. One of the first things I bought in preparation for my Camino was a small esbit stove and metal cup. I've found an instant coffee here in Australia that is tolerable... it has a chocolate flavor that leaves a nice taste in my mouth. Now, I just have to make sure I can get something similar in Spain.
With the little stove.... which I've tested here at home and works fine, if I want to leave really early and there are others in the albergue, I can take it outside and heat the water without making noise in the kitchen.
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The fuel is a definite NO No, on the flight. But, from what I've been able to discover, the fuel blocks are readily availible in Spain. At most, I only imagine needing no more than a dozen times making coffee this way. It's only for mornings I'm in an albergue with others and to get me to the REAL stuff!Were you able to fly with the fuel? I’ve never really understood what I believe to be the prohibition - if there’s a fire in the hold sufficient to light a packet of esbit fuel I’m fairly sure the pilots’ got more to think about than your coffee-making equipment ..
True coffee-holics completely understandThe feeling of coming across a vending machine with dreadful, dreadful coffee was one of euphoria for me! Lol
If that is a genuine concern buy some caffeine tabletsI have thought I might have to let go of this habit - just scared of caffeine withdrawal headaches
We do have those in USA. They can be either electric or stove-top. But a boiler/electric kettle is different. It is meant for heating water and has no place to put coffee grounds. In Villamayor de Monjardín we also had a milk heater. It was basically just an electric kettle re-labeled. But it was opaque instead of glass (otherwise it would have looked unpleasant between cleanings).Hope this helps; definition from Wikipedia :
A coffee percolator is a type of pot used for the brewing of coffee by continually cycling the boiling or nearly boiling brew through the grounds using gravity until the required strength is reached.
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Coffee from a vending machine in USA is almost always TERRIBLE. But in Villamayor de Monjardín, the store had a vending machine that made cafe con leche that was as good as anywhere else. €1 And the next button ws labeled "leche con café" but I think it was the same labeled that way for a joke.The feeling of coming across a vending machine with dreadful, dreadful coffee was one of euphoria for me! Lol
An electric jug.My Dutch friends (fluent in English) called it a "boiler." But "electric kettle" is common in USA. I've heard others but they don't come to mind at the moment.
Never far away from coffee stops onCF.its a very well serviced Camino no problems.I’m starting the CF in SJPP in a few weeks for the first time and generally like and plan to walk early in the morning e.g 530-6. I also can’t imagine walking for long without having had a coffee. Is coffee generally available at most hotels, pensions, albergues that early?
I never thought of this. Great idea to try.Seek and ye shall find! Have found some albergues turfing out the previous nights residents are doing brekkie and will cheerfully sell you a coffee!
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So I need to learn this - café fuerte caliente muy grande con leche !!Mas gran cafe espresso was an experiment in language. I asked espresso and they gave me a small cup. I asked gran cafe and they gave me a regular cup. I asked mas gran cafe and they gave me a big cup which is what I really need.
Or ice creamAll this talk about coffee (which I love), no mention of chocolate. I'm just saying!!
Try all three together. Scoop of vanilla ice cream, shaved chocolate on top, just before you start, pour over shot of espresso, omg. EnjoyOr ice cream
You forgot to add the chocolate covered coffee beans.Try all three together. Scoop of vanilla ice cream, shaved chocolate on top, just before you start, pour over shot of espresso, omg. Enjoy
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