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If you want to spend your limited time playing with public transport go for it! Otherwise just walk from wherever you can get to to wherever can get to. There is plenty of non-bookable accommodation in and near Burgos. Take a sleeping bag just in caseI land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
To be honest I dont know why it gets such as bad rap. As far as I'm concerned its just part of the walk. I like it just the way I like the rest of the Camino, I cant understand why people would look to skip it.Thank you for the replies and suggestions.
For those that love the Meseta, why?
My answer:Thank you for the replies and suggestions.
For those that love the Meseta, why?
Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
Like others have mentioned, I like walking the Meseta - different yes, but it’s nice that you can trek through differing terrain. Based on your comments, I’d suggest walking out of Pamplona and by the time you reach Burgos you’ll know what’s next.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Listen to TincaTinker’s adviceReaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
I rarely tell people what they should do but in your case I guess I am haha. You want a slow meditative Camino, correct? Well start now and stop thinking and get ready to walk. All you have on ye Camino is the step you are taking in the moment. So forget about buses and whatever your last comment was about getting to St. Jean and let go. Please, please, pleaseIf you want to spend your limited time playing with public transport go for it! Otherwise just walk from wherever you can get to to wherever can get to. There is plenty of non-bookable accommodation in and near Burgos.
I did this last year (rented an ebike) as my feet were done by Burgos from SJPDP. Cycled Burgos to Leon. Still challenging, make sure the seat is new or newish and, THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT, get a proper fitting pair of bike shorts with padding. I did not and suffered the consequences. My overall experience (after finding bike shorts) was wonderful and the bike did give me time to really enjoy my surroundings and explore a bunch of "off track" items of interest.There are a number of companies in the Burgos area where you can rent bikes to leave in the León area. That allows you to go through the meseta faster than walking but slower than buses. It also allows you to go under your own power with the ability to slow down to explore sites interesting to you.
I walked from SJPdP to Muxia in May last year. The Meseta was one of my favourite parts. Beautiful and quiet. Finishing on the coast in Muxia was also a highlight. For me the Meseta was far nicer than the busy road walking on the trail into and out of Leon. I'm sure you'll have a great time whatever path you follow. Enjoy.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Me too.I actually love the meseta.
You don’t need to skip the entire Meseta — from Burgos walk three days to Fromista and take the train from there to Leon or Astorga. That will give you a sense of the Meseta.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
I'm only here to address arriving in Burgos on Easter weekend. I absolutely love Burgos. Be sure to take the option to walk through the park as you get close to Burgos.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
If infrastructure and flexibility are important to you, the CF is your route. There is no other Camino that matches the CF for those requirements.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Hmmm. You may have me convinced about the Meseta....on foot, not bike!
"Skipping SJPDP to Panplona is skipping over some of the most beautiful countryside, the best food, and..."
Are you referring to the section SJPdP-R'Valles (legendary!) , or including R'valles-Pamplona section in the above?
Mid-March the Napoleon route it closed; otherwise I would start in SJPdP in a heartbeat if I could get a booking at Orrison or Bourda. If not the Napoleon route (and opting against the Valcarlos route without a booking midway) then starting in R'valles is the obvious option.
It would be a sad day when we all think the same.I'm only here to address arriving in Burgos on Easter weekend. I absolutely love Burgos. Be sure to take the option to walk through the park as you get close to Burgos.
But I think being in Burgos would rob you of the beauty and enjoyment because of the throngs of people being there. Burgos during a holiday or festival would be a hard NO for me.
Brought back lovely memories, except I didn't have the seering heat!My answer:
Six Reasons Not to Skip the Meseta - Spirit of the Camino
Some pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago decide to skip the Meseta. But here are six reasons why you shouldn't.spiritofthecamino.com
You have plenty of time to walk the whole thing. I would never recommend anyone skip the Meseta or bus/taxi any of it....or any part of the Camino for that matter. Most of the busigrinos complaining about the Meseta never walked it.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Fully agree,why spend time catching transport when you can spend that time walking.If you want to spend your limited time playing with public transport go for it! Otherwise just walk from wherever you can get to to wherever can get to. There is plenty of non-bookable accommodation in and near Burgos. Take a sleeping bag just in case
So do II actually love the meseta.
Like you, Joe, I do not consider the Meseta as a slog, by any stretch of the imagination.Not sure why you referred to the Meseta as a slog. It is less hilly and everything will be in Springtime bloom.
I also love the meseta. It is the best part for meditative walking for me. I will be doing an abbreviated 5th camino starting April 5 from Pamplona, but the meseta will is a must for me and will fit in what I can.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
In that case, be sure to include the meseta (all of it).exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation"
Just to clarify, there is accommodation midway if you want it.opting against the Valcarlos route without a booking midway
I strongly disagree. Semana Santa in a Spanish city is a special experience and, I think, worthy of being followed by the meditative walking of the meseta. But be sure to figure out accommodation in advance.But I think being in Burgos would rob you of the beauty and enjoyment because of the throngs of people being there. Burgos during a holiday or festival would be a hard NO for me.
I am not sure why you think you would need to "slog" across the Meseta. As with every other part of the Camino you just continue to put one foot in front of the other, not even rough mountains to "slog" up. Plenty of time for meditation & contemplation. Beautiful wide horizons encouraging to mind & heart to freely open expand. Magnificent sunrises & sunsets. Find out for yourself what the unique experience is like for you, while you are so close. Just my suggestion.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
I have been over the Napoleon route in both directions and I love it - But This year it is time, to again do the Valcarlos route out of SJPP. It has its own charm and a night in Valcarlos is delightful and a gentle way to start a camino. Ps - I would not want to miss the Meseta, It is not boring, especially in spring the body is up to walking speed and it is easy to cover good ground. The head has been cleared of all the busy stuff from home and is open for new emotions - i always cry happy tears on the Meseta.Hmmm. You may have me convinced about the Meseta....on foot, not bike!
"Skipping SJPDP to Panplona is skipping over some of the most beautiful countryside, the best food, and..."
Are you referring to the section SJPdP-R'Valles (legendary!) , or including R'valles-Pamplona section in the above?
Mid-March the Napoleon route it closed; otherwise I would start in SJPdP in a heartbeat if I could get a booking at Orrison or Bourda. If not the Napoleon route (and opting against the Valcarlos route without a booking midway) then starting in R'valles is the obvious option.
I will just say that, for many, the meseta is one of the best sections of the Camino Frances for just "walking and thinking".Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
Hi @Rhys there is a river walk into Burgos or there is a way that is through industry. I recommend the river pathway.Thank you for all the thoughtful replies. You are right — I shouldn’t pass on the Meseta based on reports from people who walk it in August ….
I am concerned about being in Burgos at Easter as crowds are not my cup of tea. Perhaps bussing around Burgos and someday visiting it on another trip.
I am also trying to compile a list of cities to possibly bus around / into rather than have long kms of pavement walking. I am sure this will all make more sense after I arrive in Pamplona on Saturday.
(I am just sort of winging it in the dark based on web reading, having in fact never spoken with anyone who has walked the Camino …. An adventure!)
Thank you!
When planning I sometimes had the same thoughts you are describing. Once I started my camino I met lovely people and really wanted to stay "connected" so I ended up walking a couple places I had not originally planned and if I had not been for mi amigas I likely would have tried to avoid. These days and nights ended up being wonderful. I highly recommend that you "go with the flow" and make route decisions as they naturally come about. You might end up walking in areas that are not ideal but what the hay - you are on the camino!Thank you for all the thoughtful replies. You are right — I shouldn’t pass on the Meseta based on reports from people who walk it in August ….
I am concerned about being in Burgos at Easter as crowds are not my cup of tea. Perhaps bussing around Burgos and someday visiting it on another trip.
I am also trying to compile a list of cities to possibly bus around / into rather than have long kms of pavement walking. I am sure this will all make more sense after I arrive in Pamplona on Saturday.
(I am just sort of winging it in the dark based on web reading, having in fact never spoken with anyone who has walked the Camino …. An adventure!)
Thank you!
The Meseta was my favorite part.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Gosh, this is excellent! Thank you!The river walk is described in the forum's Resources section. Go here and download the PDF. @linkster reposted it but I think it was originally submitted by someone else.
The Meseta was one of my favorite parts. I think if it were August it would be different, but in the spring it should be very nice.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Walking meditation? The Meseta is your answer.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
I’m sure lots will share their fondness of the Meseta - while I agree I loved that rolling meditative section I understand personal preferences/differeces regarding geography. My only comment is on your ‘end stage’ - Muxia - I fell in love with that ending and prefer it to Finesterre (though in 1 long or 2 comfortable days between them you can reach both). Buen Camino!!!I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
That variant occurs after León.If you do decide to do the Meseta, you'll have a choice of which way to go after leaving Burgos. The path that goes through Villar de Mazarife is a little longer but much more pleasant.
Thanks, trecile. Corrected!That variant occurs after León.
Dear Rhys, look what you started ! lolGosh, this is excellent! Thank you!
Don't miss the Mesata ,I absolutely loved it.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
I loved it for its wide openness, vast vistas and in May the wildflowers were amazing.Thank you for the replies and suggestions.
For those that love the Meseta, why?
Hi there, maybe wait until you get there.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
Is there a weekend bus into Burgos from Villafria, I couldn't get bus timetable on google. Not doing that pavement walk!We love the meseta. Try not to skip San Bol. We too walked from Pamplona. I would save one day by taking a bus into Burgos instead of walking into it. Too much pavement walking. If the meseta gets too much for you around Mansilla de Las Mulas (who knows could be the heat) you could do one more bus trip from there. Buen camino!
Is there a weekend bus into Burgos from Villafria, I couldn't get bus timetable on google. Not doing that pavement walk!
Very likely it runs on weekends too. There are a few hotels down in the area where the camino finishes circling the airport and joins the pavement walk. The Hotel Buenos Aires is the first. They have a coffee shop on the street right next to a bus stop to take into Burgos. Google Maps Street View shows the stop but the public transportation view does not. We stayed at Buenos Aires for two nights in 2015 taking the Burgos bus back and forth (and then circling back on the airport road to take the river walk). The bus route finishes close to the hotel so shortly after you see the bus on the other side of the road you will be able to board it at the hotel.Is there a weekend bus into Burgos from Villafria, I couldn't get bus timetable on google. Not doing that pavement walk!
A lovely entrance to Burgos, shows as the alernative in most books. Turn left as you cross the highway and are nearing the airport properties. The route will take you along a small river, parks, forested area all the way to a pedestrian bridge and turn right into the Gated entrance of Burgos, very close to the Cathedral. Beautiful relaxing walk!!!!Skipping SJPDP to Panplona is skipping over some of the most beautiful countryside, the best food, and the community spirit of starting out as a group. The section coming into Burgos would be a much better stretch to bus over. The messeta that time of year is lovely! It's not a slog in spring
Wouldn't it be nice if there were a similar river walk into Leon!A lovely entrance to Burgos, shows as the alernative in most books. Turn left as you cross the highway and are nearing the airport properties. The route will take you along a small river, parks, forested area all the way to a pedestrian bridge and turn right into the Gated entrance of Burgos, very close to the Cathedral. Beautiful relaxing walk!!!!
I left Burgos on 29 March 2022 for Hornillos and then on to Castrojerriz, Fromitsa, Carrion, Ledigos then caught the train from Sahagun to Leon. I had decent accommodation all through and did find the maseta a bit of a drag as it was pretty flat going most of the way (possibly my army background left me with a fondness for hills) . Baggage transfer is convenient and cost 4 - 5 euro a day. I caught the train from Sahagun as I did not fancy walking through the urban sprawl of Leon for a day.I land in Madrid on Saturday 16 March, and have until about 25 April to be in Spain. Reaching SdC is not an important goal on this trip; exploring Spain slowly, and spending time walking and thinking -- "walking meditation" --are.
My current plan is to start in Pamplona on Monday 18 March (bus or train from Madrid)-- reluctantly giving the SJPdP-Pamplona section a miss.* Walk to Burgos, taking a couple more days than "Brierly's stages" suggest and thus being off stage. This lands me in Burgos at Easter weekend, when reserving accommodation is proving challenging.
From Burgos .... I am having a hard time talking myself into slogging across the Meseta. So perhaps fromBurgos transit north and pick up another Camino? I'm a solo newbie, so it would need decent infrastructure. Or fromBurgos take transport across to Leon and walk from there to SDC (taking longer than Brierly's 12 days), and possibly on to Muxia? That puts me on the "most popular" section of the CF approximately April 2-16.
Thoughts? I really don't need to make a decision until I reach Burgos (assuming I stick to my current plan).
Many thanks.
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*my utterly madcap idea was to take a bus from Pamplona to Bayonne to SJPdP (there is no bus service between SJPdP and Roncesvalles yet) , spend a night in SJPdP, explore and drink in the vibe the next morning then Express Bouricout to Roncesvalles, walk that afternoon to Burguete or Espinal, then bus next morning to Pamplona/Cizur Menor to begin the long walk. It seemed like such a good idea at 2:00am....
I walked from Foncebadon to Molinaseca on 08 April 2022. The terrain is rugged but satisfying in a strange way. Definitely use walking poles as the footing is a bit dodgy on the way down.To be honest I dont know why it gets such as bad rap. As far as I'm concerned its just part of the walk. I like it just the way I like the rest of the Camino, I cant understand why people would look to skip it.
If I missed a bit, it would be the downhill to Molineseca.
That section is probably my very favorite on the whole Frances. I walked it in early May and the yellow broom, and pink and lavender heather were all so gorgeous and profuse like a special garden fairy tale.I walked from Foncebadon to Molinaseca on 08 April 2022. The terrain is rugged but satisfying in a strange way. Definitely use walking poles as the footing is a bit dodgy on the way down.
Try setting out from Riego de Ambros in the pre-dawn as we did in early August 2016, walking early in the dark to avoid the hot sun of the afternoon later in our walk.That lovely scenic bit with the decent track was fine, it was this bit I didn't like - the track after Riego de Ambros. Too busy watching my footing and trying not to faceplant, I didn't even notice the scenery. Now I take the road. But if it was raining I would consider a taxi from Riego de Ambros to Molineseca.
My favourite as well!That section is probably my very favorite on the whole Frances. I walked it in early May and the yellow broom, and pink and lavender heather were all so gorgeous and profuse like a special garden fairy tale.
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