There's a lot more here than meets the eye.

[VNwalking]

In another thread, I just posted a photo of a hermitage near Villafranca Montes de Oca that most people walk by without much inspection. (Well, OK. I speak for myself, TBH.)

But it turns out to be very old and very interesting:

Ermita de San Felices o San Félix de Oca - Historia del Condado de Castilla

Ermita prerrománica, hoy en ruinas, situada en el municipio de Villafranca Montes de Oca (Burgos). Posible sepulcro de Diego Rodríguez Porcelos, segundo conde de Castilla.

www-condadodecastilla-es.translate.goog

It just goes to show that if you have an interest in something that you might encounter on the camino it pays to do a little digging beforehand, so that you don't just shrug and walk on by. Because there are lots of places like this.

 

[J Willhaus]

Thanks for this. There is a brief mention in Brierly's guide, but glad to see the link to the long play version!

 

[VNwalking]

There must be hundreds of hidden stories like this on the Frances alone.

 

[caminka]

In another thread, I just posted a photo of a hermitage near Villafranca Montes de Oca that most people walk by without much inspection. (Well, OK. I speak for myself, TBH.)
View attachment 132318
But it turns out to be very old and very interesting:

Ermita de San Felices o San Félix de Oca - Historia del Condado de Castilla

Ermita prerrománica, hoy en ruinas, situada en el municipio de Villafranca Montes de Oca (Burgos). Posible sepulcro de Diego Rodríguez Porcelos, segundo conde de Castilla.

www-condadodecastilla-es.translate.goog

It just goes to show that if you have an interest in something that you might encounter on the camino it pays to do a little digging beforehand, so that you don't just shrug and walk on by. Because there are lots of places like this.

very nice article. with links to a search engine to becerro with transcriptions!!!

 

[chinacat]

@VNwalking

Fascinating!
I prefer your atmospheric photograph- the mist suits it!

 

[VNwalking]

with links to a search engine to becerro with transcriptions

I don't follow? (Sorry, a bit dense...)

 

[chinacat]

I don't follow? (Sorry, a bit dense...)

You’re not alone …

There are a lot of links in the article though …

 

[caminka]

I don't follow? (Sorry, a bit dense...)

when they are talking about the oldest mentiones of the monastery in the documents, the second document date links to a page with the digital becerro de san millan de la cogolla with scanned pages, transcriptions (if you switch to latin) and translations. from there, you can search the entire becerro. (it takes a while to load new searches and the map doesn't work for me .)

 

[VNwalking]

That is so far over my head it is no wonder I had no idea, @caminka.
OMG.
OK. I am turning this machine off now, lest I do irreparable harm to mine or anyone else's productivity!

 

[caminka]

That is so far over my head it is no wonder I had no idea, @caminka.
OMG.
OK. I am turning this machine off now, lest I do irreparable harm to mine or anyone else's productivity!

don't feel down, medieval crazy here. I just love that beautiful and amazing art.

right now I am doing some research for our national museum in connection with an exhibition coming up next year and I am reaquainting myself with web pages with scanned illuminations (and manuscripts), table paintings, frescoes, objects... from middle ages. to my surprise, some have been taken down since I was there pre-covid.

my problem is that I have difficulty remaining focused on the themes I need to search for because there's sooo much amazing stuff on there. it's a rabbit hole, it really is.

if you are interested, here are some:

- imareal for austrian, slovenian, czech, hungarian and german art (it works in german)
- larsdatter for themed pages with links to all kinds of stuff like occupations, tools, animals, clothing...
- british library's digitalised illuminated manuscripts
- netherland's national library's digitalised illuminated manuscripts
- french public libraries' collections of illuminated manuscripts
- 800 illuminated manuscripts and more manuscripts from france and england
- metropolitan museum of art collections online

I'll stop now...

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Is that what this is too? (on the way into Nerja)



I've always wondered.

 

[caminka]

Is that what this is too? (on the way into Nerja)

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I've always wondered.

no, this is a reconstruction of a shepherd's hut, I believe. possibly on/near the spot where Roland fought Ferragut. nothing to do with any monastery as far as I know.

similar huts appear in similar conditions (dry summer lands) in France, for example.

 

[xin loi]

Not seeing things----The picture below is a rock with Pictographs located on the Primitivo. It is located about two meters off the path with a large historical sign describing it. When I showed the picture to others that day and posted the Picture on other Camino sites, no one recalled ever noticing it as they walked next to it! I still do not see any footprint pictographs.

 

[CWBuff]

It only goes to show that one can spend.... IDK... 5 years walking Camino Frances and probably still don't hit everything
Looking back at my Pilgrimage and re-living the days I cannot believe how much stuff I "missed" - some no more but mere couple of feet away....
(At least I saw the archeological dig of Castro de Castromaior)

 

[VNwalking]

if you are interested, here are some:

OMG. Bookmarked.

it's a rabbit hole, it really is.

Tit for tat. Restraint is in order.

(At least I saw the archeological dig of Castro de Castromaior)

I haven't. Pathetic, but for some reason I always miss the turnoff.

 

[caminka]

Not seeing things----The picture below is a rock with Pictographs located on the Primitivo. It is located about two meters off the path with a large historical sign describing it. When I showed the picture to others that day and posted the Picture on other Camino sites, no one recalled ever noticing it as they walked next to it! I still do not see any footprint pictographs.

the problem with pictographs is that you usually need to be versed in seeing them. they can be covered in lichen, for example, or worn out by rain and wind. you also need to try to see them from different angles because light falling onto a pictographs from a different position may reveal it.

I remember going to a rock with pictographs off the camino on the way to cee with another pilgrim. we walked around, did squats, stretches, almost upside-downs, but neither could see them.

 

[caminka]

I haven't. Pathetic, but for some reason I always miss the turnoff.

I think the camino used to go further down the slope when I was there like, 15 years ago. this year I remember thinking 'huh, this goes a bit more up then I remember' and then there was the split, clearly marked with an info board. lots of pilgrims did the detour even in windy and rainy conditions.
the castro is literally above the camino now.

 

[xin loi]

the problem with pictographs is that you usually need to be versed in seeing them. they can be covered in lichen, for example, or worn out by rain and wind. you also need to try to see them from different angles because light falling onto a pictographs from a different position may reveal it.

I remember going to a rock with pictographs off the camino on the way to cee with another pilgrim. we walked around, did squats, stretches, almost upside-downs, but neither could see them.

this is the pictograph sign and another view of the rock

 

[pjacobi]

It just goes to show that if you have an interest in something that you might encounter on the camino it pays to do a little digging beforehand, so that you don't just shrug and walk on by. Because there are lots of places like this.

Yes, it is really sad that people have the whole world of knowledge at their fingertips, but don't bother to use it.


-Paul

 

[caminka]

this is the pictograph sign and another view of the rock

I took another look at your first photo and encircled what I think might be two footprints.

 

[xin loi]

I took another look at your first photo and encircled what I think might be two footprints.

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You might be right! I stood there for quite a while and could not see any footprints. That evening I showed the pictures to other hikers staying in the albergue and not a single person had even noticed the BIG sign and the rock!

 

[WGroleau]

Yes, it is really sad that people have the whole world of knowledge at their fingertips, but don't bother to use it.

Not sure which is more sad: that, or the opposite, i.e., the people that believe (and repost) all the complete nonsense we also have at our fingertips.

 

[TrvlDad1]

There must be hundreds of hidden stories like this on the Frances alone.

With thousands of years of history, plus a few vestiges of prehistory, it’s sometimes frustrating to me the things I cannot spend time seeing and understanding there.

 

[Camino Chrissy]

In addition to VN's original photo, I was very curious about this picture I took; off in the distance on the Frances not far after leaving Belorado, but I never researched it...anyone know details about it?

 

[xin loi]

In addition to VN's original photo, I was very curious about this picture I took; off in the distance on the Frances not far after leaving Belorado, but I never researched it...anyone know details about it?
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Ah!! Too late now! A perfect example of why one should not pre-book and just let the Camino lead you to places. The site is in Tosantos....and the nearby albergue is an incredible experience. There is also a public Albergue next door to the "monastery" albergue. Stayed there on my first Camio Frances, but did not stay there on second walk as I was walking the Camino Frances with a Protestant minister who HATES Catholics and refused to stay in a place with "Monks"/ "Brothers".

My experience? After the Communal meal where EVERYONE cooks or cleans, we all sat down together. We were told that in 21 days we would be in Santiago and if we wished, we could write a note explaining why we wished for the prayers of other pilgrims over the next 21 days.

We each were also told to draw a previous request written by a pilgrim the previous day. Each person drew a paper written in their language and was to then tell everyone why a prayer was requested.

My Request? "I am walking the Camino for my brother and his best friend. My brother killed himself and his best friend. Our families are heart broken. Please Pray for my brother and his friend".

Very humbling! You don't get these experiences staying in hotels.

This is also one of the places where they refuse to allow you to get a taxi for your pack. As you are told, "Jesus carried a cross for YOU. Carry a pack for HIM."

 

[Camino Chrissy]

Ah!! Too late now! A perfect example of why one should not pre-book and just let the Camino lead you to places

My photo is from my very first camino when I did not book any lodgings beyond my first day in SJPdP and my final vacay days on the coast.