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I thought it was higher than that as well. But I first walked from SJPP to SDC in 32 days, about 25 km/day, so it has to be a little less than 25 km/day if one follows Brierley's 33 day pattern.Actually it might be less than that. Just using the Brierley stages the average is 23.7 I thought it would be higher.
I would vary between 20 and 30km per day. 25km would be the sustainable distance, towards 30km and I feel like its too much and I am building up problems for the next days. Average would be about 24kms.
. Mine is only 21 kms
There is no "only" required in that sentence! Whatever your average is - as long as its the right average for a comfortable and enjoyable camino for you, then what's the difference?
Mine also comes out around the same. Depending on albergues I'd usually find my range somewhere between 15-18 up to around 25-27 at a push. Personally, my range is also limited by my mindset, as I find on those stages where people can do longer distances, usually long flat days, I get bored and my mind wanders back to my aching feet, whereas plenty of climbing distracts me and means I don't really tend to go any faster on the flat days.
Chuck - are you starting from SJPP or further out? I've always (or at least, in the two or three years since I became a camino convert) wanted to go from Le Puy...but work is yet to agree for paid leave for several months off!
Mine comes out to about 26, which is a surprise, as there have been short days too--because of injury or whatever. Short in my case being anything under 20. Go with the flow and it all averages out, literally and figuratively.
Sounds very good. Thanks manWe are from Aus and will probably take longer than most to do the Frances (we are travelling before hand in Germany). The Spanish consulate has advised that we can apply to a local police station to extend our stay beyond the normal 90/180 day thing but can't guarantee that this will be granted and the extra time can only be spent in Spain. This should work for us.....
Not to mention carry and cook your own food, additional 8-10 lbs. Hike and sleep out in all kinds of weather. My first AT hike in '93 I and several others were caught in a almost total white out blizzard in the Smokey Mountains for 5 days. We had to hike out anyway... were running out of food.. we would stay at a blaze and send one guy out to find the next blaze...all walk there and then send the point man out again,,, we made it out in pretty good shape but no one in our group could tell you what the Smokeys looked like.I think that the AT is harder than the Camino - I am not surprised to hear that it takes a month to find one's stride on the AT - you have lots of gear, you have to camp out, etc. On the Camino, the vast majority of people carry less than 20lbs and sleep in a regular bed every night. You also stop in cafes along the way and there is a beer (or wine) waiting for you at the end of every day if you want it. That makes things a lot easier to get used to.
I'm impressed. I'll tell our scouts this story. (I'm an asst. Scout Master.)Not to mention carry and cook your own food, additional 8-10 lbs. Hike and sleep out in all kinds of weather. My first AT hike in '93 I and several others were caught in a almost total white out blizzard in the Smokey Mountains for 5 days. We had to hike out anyway... were running out of food.. we would stay at a blaze and send one guy out to find the next blaze...all walk there and then send the point man out again,,, we made it out in pretty good shape but no one in our group could tell you what the Smokeys looked like.
I was amazed how I myself got into a fair rythm within a mere 3 day period. I am a standard walker and walk to work, nightshifting with days interval. I walked 25 K a day.Y'all are too much. This poll makes me really wonder about myself. I have been doing 3-5 mile warm up hikes and that seems to be enough. LOL I hope i can , like some suggest, find my "legs" on the camino. A longggg time ago when I hiked the AT i remember it took me a while to get working/hiking properly,where I was comfortable and not grunting and groaning, but once i fell into a groove it seemed like i was almost riding a walking machine. I loved it. They say on the AT that it takes about 30 days to find your stride. Thank God I have my flights booked 90 days apart so i am in no rush at ALL. I thoroughly intend to enjoy it, not rush it nor avoid all pain if possible. The last has always been one of my goals in life. LOL
There have been a few new Pilgrims on the forum recently who seem worried about the distance they 'have' to walk each day. Of course the daily distance is a totally personal thing.
So as to make this poll as scientific as possible, this Poll relates to the Camino Frances only and during good weather. i.e. not a Winter Camino.
What would you estimate is your 'average' distance walked per day? I'll kick off. Mine is only 21 kms
Some like to walk long and some like to walk short.........
Don't include non walking / rest days
Hi Chuck- my husband and I are starting out on Camino Francis from St Jean on 27 August. I am doing it for my 70th birthday. We are fit (for our age) but are planning to average 18 kms per day. Our biggest day will be 27 km. We want to have time to get into the history and the culture and explore the villages. We intend to walk 43 days and have 8 rest days. You will be fine. Just keep walking but don't overdo the training. Our training strategy is to do 2 or 3 walks a week and increase the length by 1 km per walk per week. We started at 5 km per walk and we are now up to 20 km per walk. Good luck.Y'all are too much. This poll makes me really wonder about myself. I have been doing 3-5 mile warm up hikes and that seems to be enough. LOL I hope i can , like some suggest, find my "legs" on the camino. A longggg time ago when I hiked the AT i remember it took me a while to get working/hiking properly,where I was comfortable and not grunting and groaning, but once i fell into a groove it seemed like i was almost riding a walking machine. I loved it. They say on the AT that it takes about 30 days to find your stride. Thank God I have my flights booked 90 days apart so i am in no rush at ALL. I thoroughly intend to enjoy it, not rush it nor avoid all pain if possible. The last has always been one of my goals in life. LOL
I completed two weeks ago, and I planned for 24 Kms (15 miles per day) based on the Brierley stages, but in the end I did 30 kms per day, and fitted in SDC - Muxia - Fisterra in the time I had originally allocated for CF. So, I covered 1000 kms in 33 days. On my return home, my wife asked me why I had rushed it, but honestly, I never felt that I was rushing it. I was just enjoying the experience SO MUCH that I couldn't stop, and I took no break days, as I didn't want them. I made loads of new friends, saw all the high points and thoroughly enjoyed the beautiful panoramas, and never felt that I had skimped anything. A truly wonderful experience that I will cherish forever. CP next year!!
I took one rest day last year, and don't plan to take any this year. I may just walk a couple of short days in a row if I feel like I need a rest.Sounds like you had a great time. I 'needed' rest days, but hated taking them. I would pace around the place looking longingly at yellow arrows.........
Absolutely.As said above, the distance average per day is relative to the person walking. Your age, fitness level, pack size will play apart in what you can do. .
Hi, I never train by walking before my 3 Camino’s as I get my legs once I start. The first weeks are shorter and slower until I get strong. I just completed Paris to Santiago in 71 days which is an average of just over 31kms per day according to the Camino office. My calculation was 26.5kms per day which was about right. I started out walking around 20 per day & ended walking 40’s. Whatever you do, enjoy, it’s not s race unless your time poor.Y'all are too much. This poll makes me really wonder about myself. I have been doing 3-5 mile warm up hikes and that seems to be enough. LOL I hope i can , like some suggest, find my "legs" on the camino. A longggg time ago when I hiked the AT i remember it took me a while to get working/hiking properly,where I was comfortable and not grunting and groaning, but once i fell into a groove it seemed like i was almost riding a walking machine. I loved it. They say on the AT that it takes about 30 days to find your stride. Thank God I have my flights booked 90 days apart so i am in no rush at ALL. I thoroughly intend to enjoy it, not rush it nor avoid all pain if possible. The last has always been one of my goals in life. LOL
I'm following Brierley's route (from afar right now) for the Camino Portuguese and he's clicked off 30+km every day for the first seven days. Day eight is 29.. I've had to come up with my own route and am two days behind his already.
I am glad to see that someone else is okay with lower mileage. Starting first Camino on 9/1 at age 75. I am worried as today walked 7 miles and had pain in one foot. Not new. Since our accommodations are booked will have to do a combination of walking and transport until walking gets built up.Y'all are too much. This poll makes me really wonder about myself. I have been doing 3-5 mile warm up hikes and that seems to be enough. LOL I hope i can , like some suggest, find my "legs" on the camino. A longggg time ago when I hiked the AT i remember it took me a while to get working/hiking properly,where I was comfortable and not grunting and groaning, but once i fell into a groove it seemed like i was almost riding a walking machine. I loved it. They say on the AT that it takes about 30 days to find your stride. Thank God I have my flights booked 90 days apart so i am in no rush at ALL. I thoroughly intend to enjoy it, not rush it nor avoid all pain if possible. The last has always been one of my goals in life. LOL
Thank you for this! Helps my training and planning.There have been a few new Pilgrims on the forum recently who seem worried about the distance they 'have' to walk each day. Of course the daily distance is a totally personal thing.
So as to make this poll as scientific as possible, this Poll relates to the Camino Frances only and during good weather. i.e. not a Winter Camino.
What would you estimate is your 'average' distance walked per day? I'll kick off. Mine is only 21 kms
Some like to walk long and some like to walk short.........
Don't include non walking / rest days
Hi Joan - Welcome to the forum. You have responded to a thread that is several years old. However, I'm glad you did, because I've been thinking about this question of how fast and how far we walk.Helps my training and planning.
Pet peeve coming up (I have more than one) -But I walk slowly. 3 kph including breaks. So even walking for 8 hours I'm only covering 24 kms.
Pet peeve coming up (I have more than one) -
Many people insist on talking about how "slowly" they walk. Who says 3 kph including breaks (of undefined length) is "slow"? It is what I do over the course of a day, and I don't consider it slow! I consider it to be in the range of normal. Slower than some, faster than some, and I have no idea what an average speed would be.
So 'relatively' slow, right @Robo?I judge that I'm "slow", in that everyone passes me, and I pass no one
Amen.But it's all very personal and really who cares.
I'm happy with my speed......
Y'all are too much. This poll makes me really wonder about myself. I have been doing 3-5 mile warm up hikes and that seems to be enough. LOL I hope i can , like some suggest, find my "legs" on the camino. A longggg time ago when I hiked the AT i remember it took me a while to get working/hiking properly,where I was comfortable and not grunting and groaning, but once i fell into a groove it seemed like i was almost riding a walking machine. I loved it. They say on the AT that it takes about 30 days to find your stride. Thank God I have my flights booked 90 days apart so i am in no rush at ALL. I thoroughly intend to enjoy it, not rush it nor avoid all pain if possible. The last has always been one of my goals in life. LOL
Depends on the weather and how I feel Robo ..... can be anywhere between 16 and 40 .. on average. Give me a good reason and I'll do 70 or even 100, one off. And it wouldn't be the first time. Often I don't bother to count ...... too much of a distraction.
That sounds like a plan after I got retired.It would be hard to walk less that that (10 kms) I think........
But might be worth a try one day
I agree. If I walk much slower or faster than my natural pace I am uncomfortable, and walking too slow can even cause me some back pain.Walking slower or waiting for someone breaks that rhythm. Even as i know,that from a physical point it does not make sense, walking slow is more arduous for me than walking fast.
I would be bored only walking 10 km per day. That's only about 2 hours walking, depending on the terrain. There's not a lot to do in many of the villages for the rest of the day.
I did plan for 20km/d for my first camino.
I ended averaging almost 30km/d on my 29d of walking. Average speed was 5.75kph while moving.
But it is true, I know from walking with my wife around clothes shops!i know,that from a physical point it does not make sense, walking slow is more arduous for me than walking fast.
I agree. If I walk much slower or faster than my natural pace I am uncomfortable, and walking too slow can even cause me some back pain.
A few years ago I walked with a friend who walks much slower than I do. I ended up walking with her for a while, then walking my own pace, and stopping periodically for her to catch up. Then repeating the cycle.
I hear people say what slow walkers they are. Then, I find out that they are walking the same km/h as I do, and I think "That's not slow. That is the same as me, and my speed is normal." It only matters for comparison when we are estimating what time we will arrive at a destination.I do not tend to look at this as fast or slow… but a pace which works for me. Over the years, I’ve walked past pilgrims who say “slow down” you’re missing the journey.
I used to worry about this, but have moved more to a hours per day approach, and analyzing my most recent three caminos, it appears that I have slowed down considerably. I usually provide for a 2d breakfast around ten o'clock, and try to arrive in the afternoon in time for a siesta (a salutory practice which I have imported into my daily routine). I normally book my evening's accommodation the day before, very much based on my state of mind after the end of a day, and on the del Norte generally kept with a few km of 20 (not always! curse the walk to Markina!). My own experience of rest days was not positive; for me, short days worked better.
Other posters have given very good advice about not being bound by guidebooks' stages. They should also note the route profiles, as a km on the upgrade is much longer in effort expended than one on the level, and 2km on the upgrade even more so.
In any case, these are just delicious considerations to ponder until the days when the Camino is open again.
Well, @trecile ...that is true if one is a bird. I am not, so rather than flying, I am consigned to walking.You must have taken the long way to Orisson, because it's less than 8 km from SJPDP.
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Using some geometry and algebra though ...Well, @trecile ...that is true if one is a bird. I am not, so rather than flying, I am consigned to walking.
I usually start at Porte St. Jacque - so as a bird, you have 8 km to Orisson. Now, let's adjust to the earthbound bipedal.
For every 100 m vertical climb, it is a rule of thumb to add 0.5 km to the walk. The Porte St. Jacques is about 170 m elevation and Orisson is about 870 m. Sooooo... (0.5 km X ((870-170)/100) = 3.5 km. So, I am reasonably sure that walkers experience 11.5 km of walking to reach Orisson.
Apologies if you do not care for algebra... but it is the way my pedestrian mind works.
B
For every 100 m vertical climb, it is a rule of thumb to add 0.5 km to the walk.... So, I am reasonably sure that walkers experience 11.5 km
I suspect that adding 0.5 km to the walk is meant to represent subjective difficulty - i.e. the experience. The actual distance is different. Thus, everybody is right!the distance covered isn't much more than 8 km.
John Brieley's camino guides supply the distances between end points on his stages and also an equivalent distance to help you judge how long it may take walk the stage. His equivalent distance accounts for the slowing of your pace walking uphill. I will try to explain what is happening with this. Let's start with Wikipedia's article on Naismith's rule.The short version, for those who think the discussion below is too long, is: Naismith's Rule indicates that each 100 m of elevation gain adds 12 minutes to the time to do the horizontal distance. Brierly says 20 minutes.
Put into the metric system this is approximately "Allow one hour for every 5 km forward, plus an additional hour for every 600 m of ascent" or equivalently "Allow 12 min for every 1 km forward, plus an additional 10 min for every 100 m of ascent."Naismith's rule helps with the planning of a walking or hiking expedition by calculating how long it will take to travel the intended route, including any extra time taken when walking uphill. This rule of thumb was devised by William W. Naismith, a Scottish mountaineer, in 1892. A modern version can be formulated as follows: Allow one hour for every 3 miles forward, plus an additional hour for every 2,000 feet of ascent.
3kph 5kph
Brierley 7:32 4:31
Naismith 7:58 4:47
Of course none of these calculations means that the distance between SJPDP and Orisson on the Camino is actually 11.5 km. It might feel like it, and take the same amount of time as walking 11.5 km on level ground, but the actual distance covered is approximately 7.6 km. If we were talking about the distance as the crow flies it would be even less.Warning: The following should only be read by nerds that own a copy of Brieley's guide to the CF. It os something I wrote up long ago but maybe never posted.
John Brieley's camino guides supply the distances between end points on his stages and also an equivalent distance to help you judge how long it may take walk the stage. His equivalent distance accounts for the slowing of your pace walking uphill. I will try to explain what is happening with this. Let's start with Wikipedia's article on Naismith's rule.
Put into the metric system this is approximately "Allow one hour for every 5 km forward, plus an additional hour for every 600 m of ascent" or equivalently "Allow 12 min for every 1 km forward, plus an additional 10 min for every 100 m of ascent."
So, by this rule (really an approximation), if you walk 20 km forward while gaining 400 m of cumlative elevation you could expect the amount of walking time on the route (for fit 5 kph walkers) to take ( 20 km x 12 min / km ) + ( 400 m x 10 min / 100 m ) = 240 min + 40 min = 280 min (or 4 hr and 40 min).
Walking at the fit hiker's 5 kph pace for that much time on a level trail you would walk 23.3 km and that is the Naismith's rule equivalent level distance. So, to estimate how much time it would take to walk that route for someone who only walked at a 3 kph pace, you would expect a walking time of ( 23.3 km / 3 km/hr ) = 7.766666667 hr or 7 hr and 47 min.
Using the distance of 20 km the above arithmetic is easier to read but if the distance were the 20.6 km (12.8 miles) that Brierley claims is the distance for the Astorga to Rabanal section of the camino we would expect a Naismith 5 kph pace to finish in (20.6*12)+40 = 287.2 minutes (4 hours, 47 minutes or 4:47). The Naismith equivalent level distance would be how far a person could walk in 287.2 minutes covering 1 km every 12 minutes (5 kph) and that would be 23.9 km. That Naismith equivalent level distance done at 3 kph is (23.9/3)=7.97 (7 hours, 58 minutes or 7:58).
Now let's see how Brierley supplies us with an equivalent distance for the Astorga to Rabanal section of the camino.
Brierley uses a variant of Naimith's equivalent distance. He keeps the 10 minutes for every 100 m of ascent part of the Naimith's rule but he assumes your level walking pace to be 3 kph, a more leisurely pace than Naismith's 5 kph. A speed of 3 kph is 20 minutes per km.
Brierley says the 40 minutes extra time accounted for by the slower speed of ascent over the level walking time would be at a 3 kph pace and thus the uphill portion of the equivalent distance is the distance covered in that 40 minutes, 2.0 km. So he adds 20.6 + 2.0 to get his equivalent distance of 22.6 km.
I skip the computations this time but Brierley leads us to believe that the walking time for his equivalent distance for the Astorga to Rabanal section would take 4 hours, 31 minutes (4:31) if walked at a 5 kph pace and at a 3 kph pace it would take 7 hours, 32 minutes (7:32).
Here is a table of possible walking times for the Astorga to Rabanal section:
Code:3kph 5kph Brierley 7:32 4:31 Naismith 7:58 4:47
So who is right? Who can tell? Maybe one on one stage of the camino and ther other on another stage. Trail conditions can change for one stage to another and within a stage. Maybe you start out at one speed and then, without noticing, slow down for scenic sections or speed up along roads to get away from traffic. It is an approximation and a way of letting you know that you can't just take the distance to walk and your average speed to get an accurate determination of your walking time from point to point. It also doesn't account for additional time you take when you stop to rest, enjoy a bar or smell the roses.
I agree completely. And wind chill is another misunderstood approximation.Of course none of these calculations means that the distance between SJPDP and Orisson on the Camino is actually 11.5 km. It might feel like it, and take the same amount of time as walking 11.5 km on level ground, but the actual distance covered is approximately 7.6 km. If we were talking about the distance as the crow flies it would be even less.
It's kind of like the wind chill factor.
Yep, I respect opinions expressed (@Robo & @Rick of Rick and Peg ) but I come at this from an entirely different angle.The rule that Brierley quotes, I think is Naismith's rule.
As far as I know, unless I totally missed something,
it does not mean that due to the height gain, 8 kms on the map actually means 11.5 kms walking over the ground.
It means that due to the height gain, the exertion and time required,
would be like walking 11.5 kms on the flat.......
We should "agree to disagree" on this point, if nothing else.
B
One thesis I think is far more describing than distance is.....hours....There have been a few new Pilgrims on the forum recently who seem worried about the distance they 'have' to walk each day. Of course the daily distance is a totally personal thing.
So as to make this poll as scientific as possible, this Poll relates to the Camino Frances only and during good weather. i.e. not a Winter Camino.
What would you estimate is your 'average' distance walked per day? I'll kick off. Mine is only 21 kms
Some like to walk long and some like to walk short.........
Don't include non walking / rest days
One thesis I think is far more describing than distance is.....hours....
I’m leaning into Herman’s philosophy ....no rush.....use the day....
Most everyone passes me up on all of my Camino's, but I don't care. I enjoy myself, take my time, stop to take lots of pictures and smell the roses along the way, which is why I smell like one.I agree. I find that quite often I see the same people in the evenings, but I just arrived 2-3 hours after they did
I think that Brierley uses equivalent distance to keep complaints down.Okay...but I see Brierley uses the same convention as I (attached). So, if I am delusional, I consider myself in pretty decent company.
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