- Time of past OR future Camino
- First one in 2005 from Moissac, France.
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I especially recommend numbers 3 and 4 this seems to be prevalent on some of the Caminos I have done.Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a voluntario (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
.... or if you need to go to the bathroom during the night; a red light, accidentally shone is someone’s face, is less likely to wake one. Some dormitories are so dark at night, one may need a light to get around, or to be seen moving around. Oh ..... and if you do go to the bathroom during the night make sure that the bed you return to, is your own.
- Use the red light on your headlamp if you get up early.
Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a voluntario (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
At least your guy had drunkenness as an excuse for his inconsideration. My guy was looking for a blanket.Don’t turn on the overhead lights in the middle of the night after coming in late from a night of drinking (this actually happened).
In the albergue in O Cebreiro I woke up early, looked at the time and told myself "wait for it". Ten seconds later I heard about a half dozen alarms. Followed shortly thereafter by flashlights being shone into everybody's eyes (another don't do).Don't use an audible alarm. If you feel that you need to wake up at 5:00 use a vibrating alarm on your phone or your SmartWatch.
A tiny little red light that can be held and/or partially obscured in the palm of one’s hand would be better than the glare of light emanating from one’s phone. IMHO
- The light from your phones screen while be enough to find the bathroom. There is no reason to turn on a headlight in an albergue that i can think of
My son forgot his towel at one private albergue and after negotiating with the owner he was able to purchase a heavier used one for 5€...not as good, but still better than no towel.I got one…
Don’t: The next morning don't forget the towel you left on the clothesline outside after taking your shower!… not because it really bothers anyone else but more because now you have to find a new towel!
Might sound dumb but I have forgotten towels like 3 times… hmmm… might be a personal issue…
Ok, cool, I'm not the only one then.My son forgot his towel
When I did the Norte in 2018 I brought a pareo to use as a towel, and one night I was in a lower bunk at the end of a row of bunks with a pilgrim on one side, and an empty space on the other. I thought that I was pretty clever when I hung the pareo to form a curtain between my and the other pilgrim - until about 40 minutes after I left the albergue and realized that I had forgotten to take it down and put it into my pack. Luckily I was walking through Bilbao that day where there is a Decathlon store about 2 blocks off of the Camino.Don’t: The next morning don't forget the towel you left on the clothesline outside after taking your shower!… not because it really bothers anyone else but more because now you have to find a new towel!
As @Rick of Rick and Peg mentioned made the lockscreen on my phone with my emergency information on a red background.A tiny little red light that can be held and/or partially obscured in the palm of one’s hand would be better than the glare of light emanating from one’s phone. IMHO
until about 40 minutes after I left the albergue and realized that I had forgotten to take it down and put it into my pack
I had to look this up, not being a biblical scholar personally.Mathew 7:12
No, you are not!Ok, cool, I'm not the only one then.
Or in the morning just because you are up and think everyone else should be. Leave it to the hospis.Don’t turn on the overhead lights in the middle of the night after coming in late from a night of drinking (this actually happened).
Agree re crime. There was a gang that used to target albergues operating out of Bilbao, but they were busted and rounded up in 2019 according to newspaper reports, and there have always been 'picaros', even in Mediaeval times, but generally, theft is extremely rare in Albergues and not common in Spain outside of tourist areas (and that is mainly pickpocketing). Nowhere is 100% safe, but the camino is safer than most places, more to the point, probably a lot safer than where any of us is from.Sorry @Arn i have to dispute your recommendation. While theft might a thing that happens on the camino and in Spain, it is nowhere near as bad as you make it look.
I left my valuables in my pockets, my phone on my bed and my backpack outside of multiple establishments without any of it going missing. I even have carried my wallet in my back pocket the last 30 years and change while traveling Spain (and other european countries). I think a bunch of kids in Milano tried a thing once, but were not successfull.
I understand that your personal experience might be different, but genereally most of europe is quite the safe place.
Now as for the topic:
- Don't be loud when people try to sleep, no matter the time
- Leave the place as close as possible as you'd like to find it
- If there is a mixed dorm, live and let live, but try to be considerate
- The light from your phones screen while be enough to find the bathroom. There is no reason to turn on a headlight in an albergue that i can think of
- Share
- Talk to strangers
- Don't drink more than you are used to. Vomiting into your bed will ruin your night and that of every other person in the room.
In an albergue on the Frances, I found myself in a dormitory with the beds mostly occupied by women and one man who was walking with a pull-cart. In the morning, all we ladies were tiptoeing around in the dark to avoid turning on the light and waking him. Finally, one woman remarked that he must have departed very quietly while we all slept, and turned on the lights.Or in the morning just because you are up and think everyone else should be. Leave it to the hospis.
Ok that gets a free pass.In an albergue on the Frances, I found myself in a dormitory with the beds mostly occupied by women and one man who was walking with a pull-cart. In the morning, all we ladies were tiptoeing around in the dark to avoid turning on the light and waking him. Finally, one woman remarked that he must have departed very quietly while we all slept, and turned on the lights.
The owner made him pay?My son forgot his towel at one private albergue and after negotiating with the owner he was able to purchase a heavier used one for 5€...not as good, but still better than no towel.
Great idea, @trecile !As @Rick of Rick and Peg mentioned made the lockscreen on my phone with my emergency information on a red background.
Yes, he did.The owner made him pay?
That made me think of an instance when my friend - an American like me, thought that a group of people from a different country weren't friendly because they didn't greet us with big smiles, as Americans tend to do. I mentioned that cultural differences didn't necessarily mean unfriendliness.. I also try to consider sensibilities of other cultures and groups;
Twice I have had a cold while on the Camino and except for one night when it wasn't possible, I got private rooms. Not only were the other pilgrims more comfortable, so was I!One thing though, especially now we have experienced a worldwide pandemic, if you are sick, please try to separate yourself from others - get a room somewhere else if you can possibly afford it,
These are common sense precautions focused on documented incidents of theft on the Camino and other hostel type settings. An example: Staying at an albergue in Pamplona, a pilgrim reported his travel pouch (normally worn around his neck) containing money, passport and credit cards was taken by someone reaching over the door and taking it off the hook.Sorry @Arn i have to dispute your recommendation. While theft might a thing that happens on the camino and in Spain, it is nowhere near as bad as you make it look.
I left my valuables in my pockets, my phone on my bed and my backpack outside of multiple establishments without any of it going missing. I even have carried my wallet in my back pocket the last 30 years and change while traveling Spain (and other european countries). I think a bunch of kids in Milano tried a thing once, but were not successfull.
I understand that your personal experience might be different, but genereally most of europe is quite the safe place.
Now as for the topic:
- Don't be loud when people try to sleep, no matter the time
- Leave the place as close as possible as you'd like to find it
- If there is a mixed dorm, live and let live, but try to be considerate
- The light from your phones screen while be enough to find the bathroom. There is no reason to turn on a headlight in an albergue that i can think of
- Share
- Talk to strangers
- Don't drink more than you are used to. Vomiting into your bed will ruin your night and that of every other person in the room.
If you eat beans rent a private room!
If you snore strongly (chainsaw type) rented a private room!
If you walked while you sleep rent a private room!
Sorry if my post was inappropriate or caused offence. That wasn't my intention but I realise it may have had that effect. I have deleted it.don't walk around in the bathroom barefoot? I feel like this isn't wisdom we should have to convey in the 21st century
A cursory look at the 21st century would suggest that there are a lot of things we should have the wisdom not to do, and sadly, many of them have far worse consequences than walking around in the bathroom without your slippers on. But I take your point.
Hmm, I have wandered around in bathrooms barefoot and lived to tell the tale.don't walk around in the bathroom barefoot? I feel like this isn't wisdom we should have to convey in the 21st century
fair enough!Hmm, I have wandered around in bathrooms barefoot and lived to tell the tale.
Yah that's because all the other pilgrims are wearing sandals! hmmmm... kinda reminds me of something....Hmm, I have wandered around in bathrooms barefoot and lived to tell the tale.
Sounds like the Golden Rule to me. It never goes out of style.Behave decently at all times and try and not make rules for others.
I have two kinds of footwear on Camino...the daily hiking choice and flip flops- that I immediately change into after arrival and wear into the shower.Hmm, I have wandered around in bathrooms barefoot and lived to tell the tale.
Anti Veruca socks are a useful alternative. Dual purpose as well plus can be extremely light dependant on type and brand.I have two kinds of footwear on Camino...the daily hiking choice and flip flops- that I immediately change into after arrival and wear into the shower.
ok, one small flaw with logic... I think some of the people reading this thread may actually have no clue about the CdS and may benefit from the advice given...the kind of people who do all these things we say they shouldn't (or don't do the things we say they should) are generally not the kind of people who read this forum, or, sadly, would change their behaviour if they did.
Well said. I agree: A bit of tolerance goes a long way.I haven't read all 47 entries above, I admit, so what I have written below may duplicate the previous, in specific or in principle.
Do be kind and considerate of others. Listen to what bothers them and try not to do it.
Do look for opportunities to help others in need. At the same time, do be willing to accept help when it is offered.
Don't be too concerned when others are not being as kind or considerate as you would like them to be. Try to respond with generosity of spirit and the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps they are not seeing everything that you are seeing, or have had an especially hard day, or there are other extenuating circumstances that you are not aware of.
Don't be too hard on yourself when you fail to live up to all the great advice that has been shared here (and, at some point, you will - none of us is perfect). Extend that same generosity of spirit to yourself
Good words, mate. As the book says:Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a donativo (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
Thank you for this. I was pretty close to a basket case when I walked the camino. I really tried, but I’m sure I made a lot of mistakes. Hopefully, I can get there again some day and do a better job of it...... A bit of tolerance goes a long way.
Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a donativo (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a donativo (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
Yes!My bugbear is when one member of a group arrives early and holds all the bottom bunks for those arriving several hours later.
A few more don'ts :
Don't put your backpack on the bunk
Don't strew your belongings all over the space surrounding your bunk
Don't sit up in bed reading your device after lights out
Don't hold loud conversations in the dorm at any time (there is bound to be somebody trying to sleep whatever the time) or until 15 minutes after leaving the albergue in the morning
Don't allow your walking poles to make contact with the road surface until you are well out of town
Don't complain to the hospitaleros about anything
One could go on and on. Basically, just try really hard not to do anything in or in the immediate vicinity of or even in the same country as an albergue if it is going to annoy somebody else.
Give more than you think you should to a donativo because a lot of people pay much less and the albergue will still have to pay the electricity bill.
And when you go into a bar or restaurant, smile and pass the time of day before you place your order.
Oh, nearly forgot, buen camino
Oh heck no. That would be fighting time - or at least VERY DIRTY eye contact. Never experienced that myself however… lMy bugbear is when one member of a group arrives early and holds all the bottom bunks for those arriving several hours later.
Further to the ATM note; only ise an ATM when the bank/business is open.Don't hang your valuables on the shower door, or drape over the curtain (if there is one)...don't put your valuables under your pillow (just for a minute), when riding a bus...either put your pack on first so other baggage blocks yours, or last, just before the compartment is closed. If possible, don't leave your pack outside when in a restaurant or bar. Sadly, there are individuals that wander the albergues and along the Way...looking for an easy lift. Oh, and keep your wallet/passport, etc. in a secure location not your back pockets on your pants, or pack. If you decide to purchase something, have a small amount of cash available...do not open up your wallet and flash a sizeable amount of cash. Lastly, I think, do not go to an ATM at night, or in a secluded area. If possible have someone with you that you trust to watch your back.
That happened on the first stage of the Inglés. Several experienced pilgrims removed the articles with the help of the hospitalero..Oh heck no. That would be fighting time - or at least VERY DIRTY eye contact. Never experienced that myself however… l
Dick Bird, I think you will find that the thread is about what to do and not to do in refugios to help novice pilgrims who will be nervous about that aspect of their Camino.
As a technical point - you cannot take even a cursory look at the 21st century until you are in the 22nd century - it being a century and all that
Haha. I spent much of last year teaching grown men how to wash their hands properly.don't walk around in the bathroom barefoot? I feel like this isn't wisdom we should have to convey in the 21st century
Hi David, I think you have written this so well. My motto, Be kind & kindness back in bucket loads.Hi all … I received Ivar’s pilgrimage update, the world is beginning to open up again .. as well as veterans going through their kit there are plenty of brand new pre-pilgrims planning, some confident, some rather nervous, so I thought I would start a ‘do this’ and ‘don’t do that’ thread. Starting with refugios/albergues.
For first time pilgrims – it is like going to big school; you are nervous a few days before, a bit frightened on the day, then you turn up wondering about how to do Everything, you don't know anyone and you feel lost - but after just a few days you know how it all works and slip into the rhythm, you belong – refugios are like that.
Refugios – at first they are really strange, uncomfortable, daunting, but then, just a few days later? They are home, each one is a refuge, a pleasant home, and all is well.
So some things not to do in a refugio
1. Don’t be impatient or rude or demanding to the hospitalero.
2. Don’t wear your outdoor footwear indoors.
3. Don’t get wildly drunk and ruin everyone else’s night.
4. Don’t get up in the dark early morning and start re-packing your rucksack by your bunk (do it the night before or carry it all quietly out of the dormitory and sort it elsewhere).
5. Don’t give pennies in a donativo (donations, not fixed price) refugio – be generous, really, be generous.
Some things to do
1. Be grateful. Spain owes you nothing. The Camino owes you nothing. Be grateful, for everything.
2. Be kind. If you see someone with an equipment problem, or looking sad, or hurt, or lonely – be kind, offer help (but don’t be upset if it is refused, they will remember the offer).
3. Be willing to move bunks. You have a bottom bunk and someone old or exhausted or injured comes in later? Offer them your bunk so they don’t have to climb to a top bunk.
4. Be discreet, don’t stare at half-dressed pilgrims, shield your eyes.
5. Do switch your phone off, so you don’t wake the whole dorm when a message comes in.
Oh – there is So much more!
Buen Camino!
Interesting , i did not know that was possible i thought that the people who check you in would assign you a specific bedMy bugbear is when one member of a group arrives early and holds all the bottom bunks for those arriving several hours later.
ok, one small flaw with logic... I think some of the people reading this thread may actually have no clue about the CdS and may benefit from the advice given...
Agree however that just being cool is the golden rule.
That is not allowed in municipal, paroquial etc albergues; no hospitalero would allow it and no experienced pilgrim would do it. No body, no bunk is the usual rule. But if the hospitalero is not there you can't do much except remonstrate. The only consolation is that anyone who tries this on will quickly discover other pilgrims won't tolerate it(and we tolerate most things).My bugbear is when one member of a group arrives early and holds all the bottom bunks for those arriving several hours later.
Usually, yes but for all kinds of reasons the hospitalero might not be in the albergue as people arrive. My experience has been though that if someone tries it, other pilgrims will intervene. It is definitely a no-no.Interesting , i did not know that was possible i thought that the people who check you in would assign you a specific bed
I intervened once and gave my reasoning and I got the bottom bunk. Another time I didn't but a male pilgrim threw one of the bags off and took the bottom bunk. I ended up on a top bunk with a 30 year American male in the bottom bunk who turned up 3 hours later. I wasn't in the mood to complain. In many albergues, the hospitaleros just show you to a room and let you take whichever bed you like.Usually, yes but for all kinds of reasons the hospitalero might not be in the albergue as people arrive. My experience has been though that if someone tries it, other pilgrims will intervene. It is definitely a no-no.
I don't agree, a lot of people including myself don't want to get narky especially as I could physically get up to the top bunk. The people grabbing beds for their friends aren't experienced pilgrims, like me walking the CF for the first time.That is not allowed in municipal, paroquial etc albergues; no hospitalero would allow it and no experienced pilgrim would do it. No body, no bunk is the usual rule. But if the hospitalero is not there you can't do much except remonstrate. The only consolation is that anyone who tries this on will quickly discover other pilgrims won't tolerate it(and we tolerate most things).
I gave the dirty eye contact and I think they all thought I was a grumpy older woman. I didn't end up feeling good about myself. I should have said something about it.Oh heck no. That would be fighting time - or at least VERY DIRTY eye contact. Never experienced that myself however… l
Could you pass that information to me please....mil gracias
Interesting , i did not know that was possible i thought that the people who check you in would assign you a specific bed
That's what I thought. Actually one of the group, a South African woman, confined in me, crying as well, that she was exhausted and couldn't get any sleep with all the snoring, particularly her slightly overweight American father. I ended up giving her the last of my silicone ear plugs. She was very grateful to me the next day as she got some sleep, and I got some good karma out of it.Ahh, i understand......but Karma will eventually even things out.jajaja
That those who are going to be inconsiderate won't read it.How about a 'Pilgrim's Code of Conduct' that could be placed on the Resources page? It could collate all the posts on this and other threads, be open to regular (moderated) amendments, and have sections on albergues; while walking; and interacting with locals.
It could even be posted on the wall of albergues so that everyone knows what is acceptable behaviour.
What do you think?
Totally agree ,get a private room if you’ve been told that you snore.People seem to be surprised when told that they snore. Surely someone along the way has told youIf you eat beans rent a private room!
If you snore strongly (chainsaw type) rented a private room!
If you walked while you sleep rent a private room!
Sad, but true. But it might be a start in establishing norms of good behaviour.That those who are going to be inconsiderate won't read it.
In my experience, most people snore.Totally agree ,get a private room if you’ve been told that you snore.People seem to be surprised when told that they snore. Surely someone along the way has told you
Could you pass that information to me please....mil gracias
@Traveller44, you sound like you may be around my speed when it comes to computers!I created a jpeg image with a red background that I use for the locks creen on my phone, so that when turn the phone on, but don't unlock it the screen is mostly red, and thus the light emitting from the phone is reddish and not so bright.
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Oh my. 1000 times, yes to this. A week of no or poor sleep because of snoring bodies will drive you away from albergues and into pensions or private rooms wherever you can find them. The snorers always seem to awaken refreshed from their slumber and are utterly oblivious to their bleary eyed roommates. It can really suck listening to that noise all night long.If you eat beans rent a private room!
If you snore strongly (chainsaw type) rented a private room!
If you walked while you sleep rent a private room!
I have already moved away from albergues as I know I would suffer greatly. I am the world's lightest sleeper and snoring would keep me wide awake. My crankiness would not be nice for others to experience so hotels for me.Oh my. 1000 times, yes to this. A week of no or poor sleep because of snoring bodies will drive you away from albergues and into pensions or private rooms wherever you can find them. The snorers always seem to awaken refreshed from their slumber and are utterly oblivious to their bleary eyed roommates. It can really suck listening to that noise all night long.
I have been in an upper bunk where the pilgrim in the lower bunk placed their backpack right at the foot of the ladder. They couldn't have been more clueless!The one rude habit I have seen mentioned already here that I have a real pet peeve for is the practice of dumping all the gear from the backpack all over the floor next to a bottom bunk? Why? I mean everything and strewn about. So much that it is in the path between bunks and other pilgrims have to navigate through it, and anybody sleeping in the top bunk above has to deal with it as they climb up or down. Besides all that, the person doing it risks losing equipment and risks his clothes and such getting dirty and possibly even bedbugs. I have actually pushed stuff strewn like that under bunks with my feet as I walk by in order to avoid stepping on stuff and getting tripped up. Could care less if they lost anything.
I know somebody out there reading this has done that, whether a member of this forum or a guest. Please enlighten me as to what the reason or logic is for doing that. I would like to know.
My worst experience with a snorer was from someone who very loudly complained before retiring that he was sick of the old people snoring and could we give him some peace this night, he went on to give the most dramatic night of snoring, flatulence and mumbling in his sleep. His mates woke him a few times to no avail, disowned him next morning and apologised to all and sundry for his previous terrible manners.
Your post could have been written by me. It totally baffles me why some people do that; leaving a big mess in the aisle to step around to avoid, with no rhyme nor reason as to why they consider it necessary to unload their pack all over the floor.The one rude habit I have seen mentioned already here that I have a real pet peeve for is the practice of dumping all the gear from the backpack all over the floor next to a bottom bunk? Why? I mean everything and strewn about. So much that it is in the path between bunks and other pilgrims have to navigate through it, and anybody sleeping in the top bunk above has to deal with it as they climb up or down. Besides all that, the person doing it risks losing equipment and risks his clothes and such getting dirty and possibly even bedbugs. I have actually pushed stuff strewn like that under bunks with my feet as I walk by in order to avoid stepping on stuff and getting tripped up. Could care less if they lost anything.
I know somebody out there reading this has done that, whether a member of this forum or a guest. Please enlighten me as to what the reason or logic is for doing that. I would like to know.
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