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BombayBill

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I see from reviewing threads that some of us would like a unique pin or patch that would identify us as Ivar Aficionados.
Perhaps a poll here or cumulative Likes could be used by Ivar as a gauge of interest.
A patch is always welcome but tends to be stuck to one’s pack back in the Albergue.
A pin is great to identify someone when needing a softhearted companion to buy one’s drinks.
Ivar - perhaps both?

Moderators please adjust thread as you see fit. Maybe a poll?
 
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C clearly

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I'm not sure if you are asking "why" add the word "patch", or "why" was the word "badge" used.

Either way I think that the word usage overlaps in this case. It is helpful to recognize actual word usage in a way that will reach the most people in the eclectic international audience for the website.

Also, who is to say that the item in question couldn't be used to mend your trousers? People typically put it on their back pack, perhaps to be transferred to their trousers when a hole appears.
 

Camino Chrissy

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Because in the US you call 'badges' ...... 'patches' ;)

Separated by a common language :rolleyes:
In my mind, as an example, a police officer wears a 'badge' which is metal, whereas a 'patch' is more like thick embroidered fabric and sown on to other fabric. I see them as entirely two different things.
 
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Simon B

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I see from reviewing threads that some of us would like a unique pin or patch that would identify us as Ivar Aficionados.
Perhaps a poll here or cumulative Likes could be used by Ivar as a gauge of interest.
A patch is always welcome but tends to be stuck to one’s pack back in the Albergue.
A pin is great to identify someone when needing a softhearted companion to buy one’s drinks.
Ivar - perhaps both?

Moderators please adjust thread as you see fit. Maybe a poll?
A pin would be very nice. Discreet and simple.
 
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My backpack has a Forum patch. I don't want any badgers on it. A pin would be nice on my hat.
 

AndreaCT

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I didn't even know that there was a forum patch!! Just ordered a patch and a mask. I agree that a pin wound be great to help identify other forum members. I've often wondered if there are any other members out and about when I've been walking. Thanks for starting this thread BombyBill.
 

Sherpa47

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I see from reviewing threads that some of us would like a unique pin or patch that would identify us as Ivar Aficionados.
Perhaps a poll here or cumulative Likes could be used by Ivar as a gauge of interest.
A patch is always welcome but tends to be stuck to one’s pack back in the Albergue.
A pin is great to identify someone when needing a softhearted companion to buy one’s drinks.
Ivar - perhaps both?

Moderators please adjust thread as you see fit. Maybe a poll?
I would to buy both a patch and a pin. Great idea.
 
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I love the internationalism of this forum. It clarifies so much in just one thread.

So, a "Patch" is what a Hells Angel would wear to distinguish itself from other sorts of Biker; a "Badge" is what Inspector Morse whips out of his jacket pocket just before he emits a deep sigh and the sort of "pin" being suggested here would be absolutely useless to an etymologist but easily recognised as a "badge" if it was in the lapel of my tweed jacket at the next regimental reunion?
 
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trecile

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The patches are available but a pin would be nice.

Yes, see the forum store for info on how to buy the patch. And I agree, we should ask Ivar about getting a pin.

Pin pin pin pin pin pin pin pin!

A pin would be very nice. Discreet and simple.

I agree. I'm not into attaching big patches to my backpack.

A pin would be nice on my hat.

I agree that a pin wound be great to help identify other forum members.

I would to buy both a patch and a pin.

I agree discreet pin a good option

So, it looks like we need to find someone to design (and make) a Camino forum pin!
 
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Please give some thought to the quality of the hardware - so it doesn't damage our clothing! Which is better - the safety pin type of closure, or the stud with "clutch" closure?
That all depends on the size of the pin! And its weight.
My shell with cross (stud type) pin that I bought from the nice folks at the pilgrim office, the larger size, was bought to stick onto my belly pouch. There it stayed for some time. Later on it moved to the lapel of a jacket. It remains there.
I have various of the other type of pins, too, but the moving closure with a spinning catch is not compatible with holding up the weight of a pin with the clothes that I tend to wear...the jacket I have the other one on is a stiff kind of fabric, not a soft one, and I don't actually wear any soft-fabric jackets. Sweaters are often too limp to hold up anything at all. Likewise jersey knits, and lighter weight blouses. I think the movable-point pins were designed to be worn on something like an interfaced light wool, like a jacket or vest, not a shirt or blouse. Are these kinds of jackets and vests (that is the sleeveless thing often made of suiting and worn over a shirt) worn anymore?
After all this random muttering with the keyboard, I think the hat pin (stud) type would find more actual use. But, as always YMMV!
 
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I see from reviewing threads that some of us would like a unique pin or patch that would identify us as Ivar Aficionados.
Perhaps a poll here or cumulative Likes could be used by Ivar as a gauge of interest.
A patch is always welcome but tends to be stuck to one’s pack back in the Albergue.
A pin is great to identify someone when needing a softhearted companion to buy one’s drinks.
Ivar - perhaps both?

Moderators please adjust thread as you see fit. Maybe a poll?
Yes count me in for one of each.
 

JoEllen

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I see from reviewing threads that some of us would like a unique pin or patch that would identify us as Ivar Aficionados.
Perhaps a poll here or cumulative Likes could be used by Ivar as a gauge of interest.
A patch is always welcome but tends to be stuck to one’s pack back in the Albergue.
A pin is great to identify someone when needing a softhearted companion to buy one’s drinks.
Ivar - perhaps both?

Moderators please adjust thread as you see fit. Maybe a poll?
 

kelleymac

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My backpack has a Forum patch. I don't want any badgers on it. A pin would be nice on my hat.
I agree. Badgers on packs are a bad idea. Badgers have sharp teeth and don't easily stay on the top of the pack while I'm hiking. They'd also get overheated on sunny days on the camino.
 
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Marbe2

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In my mind, as an example, a police officer wears a 'badge' which is metal, whereas a 'patch' is more like thick embroidered fabric and sown on to other fabric. I see them as entirely two different things.

In the US the boy scouts get merit “badges” which are then sewn on uniforms. In addition, a police officers badge is usually made of metal.


I, think that patches and badges, however, are used interchangeably in certain situations. Here is an example of offering patches to put on clothing or backpacks.

 

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Marbe2

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Yes, that is what I think most of us were thinking about. Every little tchotchke store in Santiago has them, but as @C clearly points out, It'd be worth it to have a good metal pin part that won't puncture the fabric.

OK...I know nothing about such pins? Seriously, how do you use a pin on a backpack that doesn’t puncture the material and still stays firmly in place?
 
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OK...I know nothing about such pins? Seriously, how do you use a pin on a backpack that doesn’t puncture the material and still stays firmly in place?
That was very inartful of me, what I meant to say was that some of these pins put a real hole in the fabric, while others are much sharper and just slide in without cutting as many of the individual strands, if that makes sense.
 

nidarosa

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I'd prefer a safety pin version to a one-pin metal one with a fastener on the inside - easier to fit on a hat, more secure, and those fasteners always seem to come off so the pin falls out, or the pin turns depending on the size and weight of the logo! As for avoiding making holes in packs and clothing, how about a keyring type option with a clip or split ring, which can hang on any backpack strap, loop, or bungee? You could then have two logos on it, even - one either side.
 

Camino Chrissy

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That was very inartful of me, what I meant to say was that some of these pins put a real hole in the fabric, while others are much sharper and just slide in without cutting as many of the individual strands, if that makes sense.
Yes, and some backs of pins I have had are so cheap that the "pin" back actually bends, making it difficult to use.
 

alexwalker

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I'd prefer a safety pin version to a one-pin metal one with a fastener on the inside - easier to fit on a hat, more secure, and those fasteners always seem to come off so the pin falls out, or the pin turns depending on the size and weight of the logo! As for avoiding making holes in packs and clothing, how about a keyring type option with a clip or split ring, which can hang on any backpack strap, loop, or bungee? You could then have two logos on it, even - one either side.
No moving parts, please... Pin or safety pin...
 

nidarosa

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No moving parts, please... Pin or safety pin...
Well it would have to be something that didn't clink, I agree! I'd still prefer the safety pin option, as long as it is a decent design that doesn't come off easily. I have some with plastic backs that are almost impossible to shift, and some simple ones that fall off as soon as you look at them!
 
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BombayBill

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Good ideas... and what would the design look like? The round Casa Ivar logo? (Do people really want this?) Maybe we could do a new design that "only we know about"?
The round Casa Ivar logo would be perfect or whatever you choose.
I have one suggestion. I would pay more for a quality product especially the pin piece. The cheap ones tend to break off or loose the backing piece. There is nothing worse than walking 800k to proudly acquire a pin only to lose it the first time you use it.

Thanks Ivar for considering this.
 

Marbe2

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That was very inartful of me, what I meant to say was that some of these pins put a real hole in the fabric, while others are much sharper and just slide in without cutting as many of the individual strands, if that makes sense.
OK...as you know I do not use a lot of high tech electronics and I Just thought I missed out on some high tech simple solution here? 😃😃😃
 

Marbe2

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Please give some thought to the quality of the hardware - so it doesn't damage our clothing! Which is better - the safety pin type of closure, or the stud with "clutch" closure?

What about a patch with velcro already attached on the opposite side and an additional velcro piece to sew or iron on..puchase as a kit.
 
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grayland

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Maybe it would be good if we could post serious suggestions for a forum pin.
I think Ivar needs a bit of help in visualizing the pin.
1. Design....should be easily identifiable as Forum pin
2. Size
 

BombayBill

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2021
Here is a picture of some variations. The clasp on left (butterfly style) in my experience is a lesser quality. It tends to fall off. The one on right is high quality but is quite deep. The pin has a major shaft and a minor. The minor shaft keeps it upright as it is an oblong pin.
As for design since Casa Ivar already has a round logo why not that?
 

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Marbe2

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We have already on
I am a big proponent of the KISS principal. We already have a Forum patch. I received mine from Ivar, in the plaza, when I completed my first Camino.
It's easily recognizable as "the Forum" patch.
Now just recreate it as a pin.


Personally, I think we should consider a dfferent design for a pin! There are many designs of patches with shells and arrows that you can buy on the CF. A pin would be even harder to distinguish when walking. I do not have a design in mind, but just from the color and/or shape we might be able to distinguish it as a forum pin. It does not have to be round... A lot of you are quite creative...
 
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You have to purchase it?
I was given the badge as a welcome aboard gift.
I will purchase the pin though.
Not sure, but apparently he either ran out of his supply or I'm not on his "A" list.😅 No matter, either way, I will purchase one before my next Camino...whenever I am allowed to "go".
 

BombayBill

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Personally, I think we should consider a dfferent design for a pin! There are many designs of patches with shells and arrows that you can buy on the CF. A pin would be even harder to distinguish when walking. I do not have a design in mind, but just from the color and/or shape we might be able to distinguish it as a forum pin. It does not have to be round... A lot of you are quite recreate....
I like the Casa Ivar logo as it language independent, inclusive not exclusive. My original thinking was that the already available cloth badge/patch sewn to one’s pack is a useful conversation starter when walking.

However when you’re at the bar looking for some companionship you’ll need a pin.
 
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Looks like the things people are debating are

1. Whether it should be a safety pin type closing mechanism or the more standard stick pin with that little round thing you squeeze to secure the pin.

2. Design.

I vote for the more standard stick pin, and would say that if they are cheap I’ll buy a few extras, but if they are higher quality I wouldn’t worry about them falling off. But I wonder where you find high quality stick pin clasps, since the shops in Santiago are all filled with pins that are all exactly alike.

As far as design, I think that the best thing is to keep the existing logo. I know nothing about marketing but I would think that having consistency is better for the “brand.” And enhances the likelihood that others will recognize it.

I think Ivar should take all our feedback and then make an executive decision!
 

alexwalker

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@ivar What about this for a pin? Metal color silver.

Casa Ivar pin.png

Or maybe round shape pin?
 

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I know that the vocabulary around these items tends to vary with location, as demonstrated above with the badges/patches discussion.

Where I am, we distinguish between buttons and pins. In addition to the type of thing we use to button up our shirts, what Ivar has pictured above in post #43 we would call a "button". We use pin for something smaller, usually metal (sometimes with an enamel or plastic coating), wither with a single push pin as Sarah showed in post #44 or a small, flimsy poke pin like on a button but much tinier and typically without the spring.

A button is more visible, but a pin takes up less space so is more flexible for where it can be worn.
 
I know that the vocabulary around these items tends to vary with location, as demonstrated above with the badges/patches discussion.

Where I am, we distinguish between buttons and pins. In addition to the type of thing we use to button up our shirts, what Ivar has pictured above in post #43 we would call a "button". We use pin for something smaller, usually metal (sometimes with an enamel or plastic coating), wither with a single push pin as Sarah showed in post #44 or a small, flimsy poke pin like on a button but much tinier and typically without the spring.

A button is more visible, but a pin takes up less space so is more flexible for where it can be worn.
My patch is fixed to my pack. A pin I can move from jacket to jacket.
 

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"Button" adds a whole new dimension to patches and badges...just sayin'.
Yes, they are bigger and more obvious than a pin. They are a good choice if the motive is to be seen and identified by other forum members.
 

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(2016) May Pamplona-Moratinos; Sept.:Burgos-SdC
(2016): August/Sept: Camino San Olav (Burgos-Covarubbias), Burgos-Sarria
(2017): May: Portuguese; Sept: Pamplona-SdC
;-)I know that the vocabulary around these items tends to vary with location, as demonstrated above with the badges/patches discussion.

Where I am, we distinguish between buttons and pins. In addition to the type of thing we use to button up our shirts, what Ivar has pictured above in post #43 we would call a "button". We use pin for something smaller, usually metal (sometimes with an enamel or plastic coating), wither with a single push pin as Sarah showed in post #44 or a small, flimsy poke pin like on a button but much tinier and typically without the spring.

A button is more visible, but a pin takes up less space so is more flexible for where it can be worn.
And weight of the object will obviously become an important consideration... 🤣
 
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They can save weight by just shouting "I'm a member of Ivar's Camino Forum!" every 100 metres or when they see someone.
Good idea! It makes room for another big Valor chocolate bar with hazelnuts in my backpack.😋
 

BombayBill

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I have ordered something... only 50 pieces (so not many), but just to see what they look like. Will post here when I have them in my hands... :)
Looks like the things people are debating are

1. Whether it should be a safety pin type closing mechanism or the more standard stick pin with that little round thing you squeeze to secure the pin.

2. Design.

I vote for the more standard stick pin, and would say that if they are cheap I’ll buy a few extras, but if they are higher quality I wouldn’t worry about them falling off. But I wonder where you find high quality stick pin clasps, since the shops in Santiago are all filled with pins that are all exactly alike.

As far as design, I think that the best thing is to keep the existing logo. I know nothing about marketing but I would think that having consistency is better for the “brand.” And enhances the likelihood that others will recognize it.

I think Ivar should take all our feedback and then make an executive decision!
I think a safety pin type closure only works on larger size pins ( more of a button in my language) say larger than a man’s thumb. A pin (smaller than a thumbnail) may only be available with a push pin arrangement.
 

BombayBill

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I'd like a pin that stands out enough and stays on long enough that one can wear it to your first social gathering upon your return and hope that it makes you a subject of great interest and able to bore everyone to tears by explaining the difference between a tourist and a pilgrim.

However a pin not so sturdy that it won't eventually be lost. Than you can mutter to yourself " Damn lost the bloody thing, hmm I guess I better walk again next year and get a new one...".
 
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perhaps something less subtle. The ‘blue background with yellow arrow’ is commonplace. If it’s to be something distinctive and recognisable as a ‘forum’ symbol then it needs to stand out across a crowded bar (or albergue or church if you like)

Standard design with a neon arrow? Standard design with a contrasting border?

please not just blue and yellow with tiny print.
 
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I'd like a pin that stands out enough and stays on long enough that one can wear it to your first social gathering upon your return and hope that it makes you a subject of great interest and able to bore everyone to tears by explaining the difference between a tourist and a pilgrim.

However a pin not so sturdy that it won't eventually be lost. Than you can mutter to yourself " Damn lost the bloody thing, hmm I guess I better walk again next year and get a new one...".
I want three of those, at least.

And then you can say to the woman next to you in the bar: "oh, I just lost it while crossing the entire country of Spain on foot: A long story that I shall not bore you with." Guess if they want to be "bored" :D
 
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henrythedog

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OK, so something the size of a bin*-lid, in neon pink with a flashing light and some kind of ineffective attachment?

There you go Ivar, get three gross**of those on order and they’ll sell out in days.


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I do not mean to cause a problem, so please forgive this suggestion. Is there another name we might consider after Camino de Santiago.me. Rather than “Pilgrim Forum Member?” What about “Pilgrim to Pilgrim” or something else, pilgrims helping pilgrims... I am not super creative, but perhaps someone else might have a suggestion.....



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Frances (14), Portuguese (15), Le Puy (17), Ingles (17), VDLP (18), Lana (18), Madrid (19) + more
Here we go... I got this in today. I only got 50, but will order more if this sells well.

Thank you all!
Ivar
Perfect timing! I completed a university research study today and I am putting my study compensation towards the pin and a few other goodies in the Forum Shop.

I can't wait to show off my new pin on my new Camino! :)

Thanks Ivar! :)
 

BombayBill

Still Learning
Past OR future Camino
2021
Here we go... I got this in today. I only got 50, but will order more if this sells well.

Thank you all!
Ivar
Thank you for your efforts with this.
 

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