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- Francés x 5, Le Puy x 2, Arles, Tours, Norte, Madrid, Via de la Plata, Portuguese, Primitivo
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As far as I know that is correct right now. But who knows what the situation will be later today or later this week? It is extremely fluid at the moment.. I know there is one closure so far of an albergue on this portion, but for the most part the frances is business as usual (at this point), correct?
The Basque Country, Madrid and Rioja are in higher alert than the rest of Spain, and air traffic restrictions might be implemented, and you might have to stay here longer than expected, beware!I am just double checking that I have my info right. As of right now I can fly from Canada to France and then walk the Frances. I know there is one closure so far of an albergue on this portion, but for the most part the frances is business as usual (at this point), correct? I am scheduled to start on Tuesday. I am not concerned about a delay in getting home, I just don't want to arrive for nothing.
As far as I know that is correct right now. But who knows what the situation will be later today or later this week? It is extremely fluid at the moment.
Hello Ivar and all. (Ivar I said a prayer for you and your family.)Yes, no day care for Lukas tomorrow... My feeling is that we are moving closer to a full lock down here in Santiago. Talked to a few people in the tourism business this morning and everyone is expecting more restrictions (in Galicia) to come before this gets better.
I would anticipate you'll be screened before boarding your return flight (assuming you can find one), then quarantined for 14 days on some military base here in US upon your return.Does anyone there have any feeling about how this works out a bit down the road?
I can only confirm this (from a Northern-European perspective). The public pressure on events, institutions and on governments for consequential action has risen tremendously within the last 2 days. No one wants to be blamed for taking action too late.Yes, no day care for Lukas tomorrow... My feeling is that we are moving closer to a full lock down here in Santiago. Talked to a few people in the tourism business this morning and everyone is expecting more restrictions (in Galicia) to come before this gets better.
Yes, no day care for Lukas tomorrow... My feeling is that we are moving closer to a full lock down here in Santiago. Talked to a few people in the tourism business this morning and everyone is expecting more restrictions (in Galicia) to come before this gets better.
I agree with all of this. Especially "What Spain (and the world) needs right now is tons of personal responsibility, people that accept the challenge of slowing down this contagion wave, avoid crowds, avoid closed public spaces, stay at home as much as possible, otherwise people are going to die in hospital corridors en masse very soon (as is happening in Lombardy)"People. it's not a good idea to do the Camino right now unless you bring a tent and camp every day and plan to do it alone or with a few people.
Albergues are and excellent place to spread the disease: relatively humid, close public spaces with short distance between sweaty and respiration-agitated people, who will find challenging to keep minimal hand hygiene required for the coronavirus during El Camino.
What Spain (and the world) needs right now is tons of personal responsibility, people that accept the challenge of slowing down this contagion wave, avoid crowds, avoid closed public spaces, stay at home as much as possible, otherwise people are going to die in hospital corridors en masse very soon (as is happening in Lombardy).
Be responsible, don't come unless you bring a tent and keep lots of hygiene.
We have no option except to keep walking and if things get worse I suppose we can hunker down in some tiny albergue somewhere until time to fly home. We still have a month here.
Oh well. It's wild camping in Scotland again for me.
Hello Ivar and all. (Ivar I said a prayer for you and your family.)
As it stands, we still have the plane tickets we bought in November. If we walk as scheduled--after last night's speech by President Trump this has become much more uncertain--we will fly into Madrid, skip over to Atocha and take Ave to Sevilla to start walking the Plata. We're not scheduled to leave until after Easter. I estimate that we wouldn't hit Galicia, any part, until late May. Does anyone there have any feeling about how this works out a bit down the road?
I really like this perspective. The Camino teaches us resiliency and adaptability, and those are qualities we may all need right now.My sympathies are with those who have invested a great deal of time and money, as well as dreams, in a Camino at this time. My own planned April/May CF is in “wait and see” mode. I am lucky to be in Europe, with few time constraints.
It strikes me that there are parallels between being on Camino and living with our present uncertainties. On Camino one learns that it’s good to be without the normal physical trappings of life. You can manage with a single change of clothes, share sleeping spaces with strangers and just trust that there will be a bed at the end of the day.
For those of us who like a structured life with dates in the calendar, and who get a great deal of pleasure from planning and anticipating trips, the present uncertainty is hard. But maybe it’s an opportunity to live more fully in the present, and to just trust that we will manage, and hopefully learn from, whatever happens.
If I don’t get to Spain when planned I am thinking of walking a less travelled pilgrimage route in my own country.
Buen camino, wherever and however that may be.
Glad you are doing good. Was wondering how you all were doing. Buen Camino.We have no option except to keep walking and if things get worse I suppose we can hunker down in some tiny albergue somewhere until time to fly home. We still have a month here.
Where did that very important tidbit of information come from? And who is “they“? Thank you.They expect the peak of the spread anytime between mid April and mid June.
Spanish News Channel 24h and La Una. I do not remember who exactly said it, was someone from a major Spanish research institute. they have several medical experts 24/7Where did that very important tidbit of information come from? And who is “they“? Thank you.
I remember one of the leading virologists of Germany saying something of that kind. And I think to recall the Robert-Koch-Institute in Germany as well. This information is around for a week or longer.Where did that very important tidbit of information come from? And who is “they“? Thank you.
I flew with a friend into Madrid on 4 March and then directly to Gran Canaria. On 8 March we flew into Malaga and began an Immersion Spanish class on 9 March. At that point we had no regrets that we had come. Each day the news becomes more grim and finally this morning we admitted that if we had it to do over again, we wouldn’t. Our original plans were to stay in Malaga until 4 April and then begin walking the VdlP from Merida on 5 April. Our flight back to the states is for 15 May. We are closely following the virus in Spain and each day the news is worse. We are not interested in leaving at this time. If our school is closed, we hope to start walking earlier than planned. If lodgings are closed, then we will bail out and return home. Those plans may change because obviously by the time we are ready to leave, we may be in lockdown. Or we may think some more about our position and change our minds. No matter what happens I can not return to my home when I return to the states because I live in a retirement community where the average age is 85 and I can’t very well take any chances as I may be contagious or a carrier. So far my friend and I are both fine. It’s an adventure but I’m thinking now that this is one I could have done without.
We have no option except to keep walking and if things get worse I suppose we can hunker down in some tiny albergue somewhere until time to fly home. We still have a month here.
Your Situation has just evolved!Everything is very fluid now. To say the least.
Next is my personal story and is in no way a medical advice.
Back from my own GP (I live in Belgium ) after I called in with general symptoms of a throat and headache, no fever or lung issues.
The newest guideline they got from the Ministry of Health is that even a common cold /general viral infection will mean a week at home. Even for those who have not been in contact with Covid-patients directly.
Seeing I work in mental health care with people with fragile health I have to follow this up very strictly.
I can leave the house but will keep it to a minimum.
Doc says that now everyone is seen as a potential carrier of the virus.
Quarantaine will still be in place for those who have been in direct contact with a Covid-patient.
All my best wishes to all health care workers, pharmacists, nursing staff etc for their hard work in these difficult times.
There's already Covid-19 in DC.I just read a great article about the C and O canal which runs through DC, it is the ancient tow path of a canal and apparently connects with AT.
What's this about?The head of government called on the population to refrain from buying hamsters:
I saw that also. Either it was a joke or a typo...or to Check if anybody’s paying attention...What's this about?
What's this about?
You should still be able to get a cheap flight to the UK or Ireland to make a connection to the US.I decided to return to the states and snagged the last seat on the last AA flight out of Spain until further notice. US citizens are exempt from the travel ban from Europe, so I thought “no big deal”. BUT, if people aren’t flying, the planes aren’t flying. I didn’t think of that. So much of this very fluid situation doesn’t soak in until you get into the middle of it.
I think it means panic buying. A local idiom badly translated. Similar statements have been made in Ireland (not about hamsters!).What's this about?
You should still be able to get a cheap flight to the UK or Ireland to make a connection to the US.
Yes, that's true. I just put the suggestion out there in case others are facing similar problems.That may well be. I have my ticket so it’s taken care of. The point I was making was this situation is so fluid that what works today may not work tomorrow. In fact, what makes sense this minute may no longer be relevant an hour from now.
I think it means panic buying. A local idiom badly translated. Similar statements have been made in Ireland (not about hamsters!).
I posted it in one of the previous threads. Thanks for posting it again.Here is a source for information on international travel restrictions (please forgive me if it has already been posted):
I thought so, but couldn't find it.I posted it in one of the previous threads. Thanks for posting it again.
A great walk for sure! I did it on my own in October this year. I like to walk at least 20km each day, so skipped ahead campsites. I left Apollo Bay after lunch and made it to Blanket Bay on the first night. I thoroughly enjoyed myself, as you will also no doubt. If you want the guidebook, am happy to post it to you[QUOTE="RuthMB, post: 835696, In the meantime, I'll be doing the short (relative to the camino) 100km Great Ocean Way close to home in Victoria, Australia. I'd love to hear if any other members are doing an alternative walk.
I was really worried about snakes too, some days were 30+C , although I finished at the Apostles in single digit temps and hail. I saw one ?brown snake just after walking through Cape Otway, I nearly trod on it as I was head down, walking up a slope. I just froze and walked backwards until it slithered off. I wore my gaiters despite the heat as I thought that would lessen my chance of being envenomated if bitten. I thought I would have seen loads of snakes, but that one close encounter was it.Oh wow! That is super kind of you! My cousin (who I'll be walking with....she was to be my camino buddy) has done it before and still has her guidebook, but thank you so much for the offer. We're aiming on 20kms a day also. I'm terrified of snakes, so fingers crossed it will be too cold for them to cross our paths!
The same in the Netherlands.France has introduced measures banning all public gatherings of more than 100 people.
The same in the Netherlands.
Spain seems very likely to declare a state of national emergency tomorrow. This would introduce restrictions on the movement of people and vehicles throughout the territory.
The Stars In Their Courses.... Keep Faith!!!!!Obviously I am not going to start my first Camino for which I had an April 1 arrival in Madrid. I think Madrid may be in quarantine then.
The thing that scares me the most is that the stars may never align so well again for me to go. Maybe Never. I'm actually returning as much of the equipment that I can today. No point in keeping it. I hold out hope for the fall, but I can always repurchase next year, or certainly by the year after.
In news that will be a relief to many, "Canada won't be wiped [sic] out of toilet paper." They are working overtime to keep us supplied.
I don't get this about stocking up on toilet paper. People are buying sacs of it. But if you need 144 toilet paper rolls for a 14 days period, you need to consult your doctor regarding serious problems aside of an influenza/corona problem. So many shallow (and non-social, non-fellow-being caring) people)...In news that will be a relief to many, "Canada won't be wiped [sic] out of toilet paper." They are working overtime to keep us supplied.
I know this situation isn't something to joke about really but still we can keep up the spirits so I'll tell you why people are buying so much TP. This isn't about virus as such it's more about behaviour:...True to the last couple of days - no TP was to be had (I still dont get it....)
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WeI know this situation isn't something to joke about really but still we can keep up the spirits so I'll tell you why people are buying so much TP. This isn't about virus as such it's more about behaviour:
"One sneezes and another 100 s*%t themselves."
Let's not panic and act responsibly!
PS (Sorry mods if I crossed the line again.)
Yep, the WHW was going to be my alternative. Not being a camper, I contacted hostels, but so many are already booked up. My dates coincided with the UK school hols which doesn't help. Looks like and amazing walk but, like the camino, it will be another time for me.I think this is the 5th or 6th time I've seen someone say they're going to Scotland. Looks like it will be a busy place up here, the West Highland Way might be busier than the Frances.
No cases yet in the highland region, but 6 now on Shetland.
Remember still plenty of time for snow, like this morning, and the midges and clegs will soon be here, and the ticks, not that I'm trying to put anyone off coming of course.
I don't get this about stocking up on toilet paper. People are buying sacs of it. But if you need 144 toilet paper rolls for a 14 days period, you need to consult your doctor regarding serious problems aside of an influenza/corona problem. So many shallow (and non-social, non-fellow-being caring) people)...
Norway, badly hitten, is in dire straits. Almost everything is closed down by the government as of this afternoon, and it seems we soon wil be closing our national airports too. We suffer from a heap of Northern Lights/winter tourists up here. Tourist ships and flights (many each day) are now not allowed to let passengers into the city. They can come into harbour for supplies, but noone can leave the ship. Airport passengers will be quarantined for minimum 14 days. Cruise tourism is coming to a stop. All education institutions are now closed, bars/restaurants closed (hard to find a place for dinner for tourists), shops/groceries are emptied, and we ourselves have gone into semi-quarantine (only going out for necesseties).
Norway is now one of the hardest hit countries in Europe, due to politicians reluctanct to be tough: We have the highest ratio of infected per 100.000 capita in Europe. It is starting to getting real bad here. I will check on my cottage soon: It is only 30 mins. from here but desolate. By the sea; have complete fishing gear there. Will stay there if things get worse. No electricity, but all I need powered by propane: Stove, additional heating, fridge, toilet (with solar power). Plenty of firewood, by the sea, and my little boat. I don't think it will come to that, but I am prepared. Right now feeling I am in a danger/war zone.
If we all had bidet toilet seats we wouldn't need so much TP!Re stocking up the TP (on the serious note)...
I heard a psychologist on TV explaining this as the need of people to think that they do something SUCCESSFUL in this situation. TP is relatively inexpensive and it's bulky so people have the feeling that they did something good about surviving. Makes sense in a way although I don't really understand it in my own case. But then again adds (on internet or TV or whatever media) doesn't have any effect on me
True. I have this experience for 30 years of my early life and it was very cozy (bidet separated from toilet). BUT, oh yes, MY butt was like a baboon butt whenever I hitchhiked the Europe and had to use TP back thenIf we all had bidet toilet seats we wouldn't need so much TP!View attachment 70822
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