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Curiosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.You are not a practicing Christian yet you wish to attend Mass. Any particular reason?
Convention holds that you should be modestly dressed. No one will expect a pilgrim to carry a special outfit but do endeavor to keep exposed flesh to a reasonable minimum.
Why not make contact with your local Catholic church and discuss your interest with the priest
I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders
I agree with @SabineP. I wouldn't add weight to my pack by bringing a special outfit just for churches.You will be perfectly fine with your choice of clothes and the flip flops.
Easier said than done!Nothing wrong with curiositybut I do urge you to make contact with your local resources. You’ll be as welcome at mass in the UK as you will be in Spain with the advantage of a shared language to help you understand what is going on.
This old pagan has made pilgrimage to Santiago and the shrine of one who may have touched the divine. And though I have attended Mass it was with my understanding that I could not participate.
Again...do not overthink it. Pop in at an open church ( that in itself will be a challenge seeing local priests will be responsible for maybe five or six parishes) and see when a service is scheduled.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Thank you SabineP, can you tell I’m terrified?!Again...do not overthink it. Pop in at an open church ( that in itself will be a challenge seeing local priests will be responsible for maybe five or six parishes) and see when a service is scheduled.
Follow the older ladies of the village...
I walk in shorts, but I take an all purpose large silk scarf, that weighs nothing, which I use for all sorts of things including quickly wrapping around over my shorts as a skirt for churches.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
Yes, but for pilgrims, that does not need to involve additional clothes, A shirt with some sleeves, and I wouldn't wear short shorts. (Easy because I don't wear shorts anyway.)I understand that I should dress appropriately
"I’ll let the wind guide me." Oh I do like that!Thank you SabineP, can you tell I’m terrified?!
I’ll let the wind guide me.
Good night all, I feel supported in my quest to understand.
You will be very welcome. Being open and honest about it puts you way ahead of most if not all of the hypocrites and there are plenty of them here. You don't have to answer to anyone but yourself, nor do you have to speak, pray or sing. Observe quietly or participate, it's entirely up to you!Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
The churches are open to all. Do not hesitate to partake of the experience. You will know if there is something for you when you visit a church or attend a mass. I was born Catholic, but I do not practice the ritualistic side of Catholicism. However, I have a deep purpose for hiking the Camino, and the spiritual side is very high on my list. I feel like I will be immersing myself in the centuries of history and spiritualism and sincerely hope this trip will add significance to my life.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
As a fellow "non-believer" I agree with most that is being said above. Dressing and behavior should be respectful and modest. On one of my recent Caminos, at the lovely church in Rabanal, I noticed three Jewish New Yorkers (found that out in the discussion that followed), all wearing baseball caps. I told them that in a church, this is disrespectful. They responded that Jews cover their heads in the house of worship, What followed was a pretty heated debate which finally ended with a couple of bottles of good wine and hearty laughter. I still don't know what would be appropriate for a Jew in a catholic church; maybe someone in the forum knows the answer.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
"dress appropriately" is still a fairly wide field ...Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
just go. they don't check your religious credentials at the door, and they're not going to try to convert you as a guest in Spain. clearly you're a thoughtful person and you'll handle it with respect. I'm a former catholic and plan to go into at least one Mass in honor of a Catholic in my life.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
The nervous one in the back pewThank you everyone.
This community…I don’t think I’ve quite ever experienced anything like it.
As a child we are often told to ‘go try it’, as an adult it becomes, ‘you should know better’.
On reflection it seems like I was asking for permission. Perhaps I was? ‘Have courage and be kind.’ Embarrassingly this is a quote from Cinderella but still, for me, a good one.
Thank you for taking the time, especially those who wrote to me personally. I’ll be the nervous one in the back pew
Both men and women should dress respectfully when visiting any holy place, be it church, mosque, temple, shrine or indeed any holy place. They are all places of God for someone.Welcome in God's house !
Regarding attitude, it seems that your reasons to go in a church are perfectly correct.
Which clothes can you wear ? As a man, I can't be completely focused on prayer if a woman wears a short skirt (Mary Qwant style) or a crop top ! It comes from me, not from her, but please, be kind and try to put clothes that do not disturb men ! ;-)
The Skoptsy and the Cathar had a ready solution to that problemAs a man, I can't be completely focused on prayer if a woman wears a short skirt (Mary Qwant style) or a crop top ! It comes from me, not from her, but please, be kind and try to put clothes that do not disturb men ! ;-)
Origen, too.The Skoptsy and the Cathar had a ready solution to that problem
Gosh! Maybe it’s just me but surely I can’t be the only one that finds this to be inappropriate?Welcome in God's house !
Regarding attitude, it seems that your reasons to go in a church are perfectly correct.
Which clothes can you wear ? As a man, I can't be completely focused on prayer if a woman wears a short skirt (Mary Qwant style) or a crop top ! It comes from me, not from her, but please, be kind and try to put clothes that do not disturb men ! ;-)
What do you find inappropriate ? My answer or wearing any kind of clothes in a church ?Gosh! Maybe it’s just me but surely I can’t be the only one that finds this to be inappropriate?
Talking about female attire and how it can be distracting to you/men. Maybe it’s just me and If I am being oversenstive and misunderstanding I apologise but I find it inappropriate! Is it just me!What do you find inappropriate ? My answer or wearing any kind of clothes in a church ?
In my opinion, wearing some clothes and not others in a church is just because of that. If God is, I cannot imagine that He could be offended by simple clothes...Talking about female attire and how it can be distracting to you/men. Maybe it’s just me and Iif I am being oversenstive and Immisunderstanding I apologise but I find it inappropriate! Is it just me!
Sure no Problem! I appreciate no offence was meant and maybe it’s just me. I was an equality and diversity rep when I was working so we tend to flag anything we find ‘inappropriate’ and maybe too keenIn my opinion, wearing some clothes and not others in a church is just because of that. If God is, I cannot imagine that He could be offended by simple clothes...
(English is not my mother tongue, please forgive me if I am not clear)
I mean that decent clothes are required for women and men because of human nature.Sure no Problem! I appreciate no offence was meant and maybe it’s just me. I was an equality and diversity rep when I was working so we tend to flag anything we find ‘inappropriate’ and maybe too keen
keen to police.
This should not be anything that brings concern or anxiety. Be at peace.Thank you everyone.
This community…I don’t think I’ve quite ever experienced anything like it.
As a child we are often told to ‘go try it’, as an adult it becomes, ‘you should know better’.
On reflection it seems like I was asking for permission. Perhaps I was? ‘Have courage and be kind.’ Embarrassingly this is a quote from Cinderella but still, for me, a good one.
Thank you for taking the time, especially those who wrote to me personally. I’ll be the nervous one in the back pew
I hesitated to respond and I don’t think this may be attributed to a language barrier.As a man, I can't be completely focused on prayer if a woman wears a short skirt (Mary Qwant style) or a crop top ! It comes from me, not from her, but please, be kind and try to put clothes that do not disturb men ! ;-)
Church is for anyone and everyone who wants to go. Go as you are. No need to stress about it or do extra research but it would help if you understood some Spanish.Curiosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.
It was a confusing time. I guess I would like to experience other how other people experience faith? I’m still unsure if I’m honest.
Attending as often as I can might also be a little ambitious. Experience at least once during my Camino might be more realistic.
If it’s not ok, please tell me it’s not ok. I don’t want to do anything that is not appropriate. But if you don’t know, you don’t know. And the only way I will know is to see and try.
I’m Catholic and I also plan to attend many masses on the way. I’m wearing shorts—not going to buy long pants until the weather forces it on me.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
Good point! I have not seen this mentioned. Yes, useful to make sure that you have coins or a banknote ready for the offering basket, so you don't have to rummage around in your bag or not donate anything and feel embarrassed.I save up my coins to put in the offering basket
You will be welcome as a pilgrim in your pilgrim clothing. The towns all along the Camino know who you are and why you are there, and they will welcome you.
A copy of the standard Mass in English and Spanish may help:I am Catholic (a convert). I did not bring 'evening wear' on my 2 caminos, just 2 changes of walking clothes (I don't wear shorts). I was never out of place in any of the churches/cathedrals I attended along the way.
Personally, I found the Spanish Masses to be difficult to follow, but I got much more from entering a church (ones that were open) during the day or early evening and just sitting in the quiet. This was my holy time, and an opportunity to take in the beauty of the church.
May you have a truly Buen Camino and may your experiences be exactly what you need.
And if you get to Santiago and go to the Pilgrim Mass, may you be blessed with the swinging of the botafumeiro, an awesome experience.
I think cultural standards vary. I'm sure my grandmother would never have gone to mass in trousers, but I actually think she wouldn't have objected to someone having bear arm/shoulders if they were wearing a nice dress. Of course, times change and of course the camino is different and there is an expectation that pilgrims don't walk in their Sunday best!Good point! I have not seen this mentioned. Yes, useful to make sure that you have coins or a banknote ready for the offering basket, so you don't have to rummage around in your bag or not donate anything and feel embarrassed.
Does the advice to "cover your shoulders" actually reflect the reality in Spain? I usually have my arms covered for the simple reason that most of my clothes have short or long sleeves anyway and I feel quickly cold in old churches with thick walls. Judging by photos and videos I've seen, and that includes the solemn mass in Santiago on the Apostle's feast day there are women with sleeveless dresses and tops, and that includes women who don't belong to the youngest age group and who appear to be local and to know how to dress for mass within their own cultural environment. And I guess that's what the OP's question is about: how to fit in locally and not stick out like a sore thumb.
At one pilgrim Mass I attended in the Cathedral at Santiago, the chief celebrant,in both Spanish and English, invited any " who are a baptised Christian and who love the Lord" to come forward and receive the Sacrament.@ficklefancyfree, attending Catholic mass has become part of the general pilgrim experience or general Camino pilgrim life. You are unlikely to be the only non-Catholic (lapsed or otherwise) or other non-Christian (lapsed, etc.) among the congregation, starting with the evening pilgrim mass in Roncesvalles.
At pilgrim mass (not in the Cathedral of Santiago, though) a pilgrim blessing is often offered at the end where all interested pilgrims come forward to the priest to receive a group blessing. It is up to you whether you want to join or not. I never felt the need, I am content with the universal blessings that are provided at every service.
This individual/group blessing at the altar is not to be confused with the Eucharist part of mass where Catholics in good standing, and only those, are invited to come to the altar and receive a wafer with specific meaning for them. Do not join them, stay in your seat but allow people to get out of the pew and back in again. Please, everyone, do not use this piece of information to start ecumenical discussions. I am merely quoting the announcement made by the security staff at the Santiago Cathedral.
As others have said, stand up when the congregation stands up, sit down when they sit down. That's all that is required, or expected, as to formal participation.
Towards the end, at least in Santiago, the priest invites all to exchange a sign of peace. Smile to those around you and/or shake hands with them. Mumble "peace" or "peace be with you". Any language will do.
At the Santiago Cathedral, the security staff does announce at regular intervals that men must not wear hats or caps while visiting the Cathedral; they should do so "out of respect".
Buen Camino!
I was baptized and raised Catholic. Went to our Catholic school attended Mass every day before classes started. My Parent raised us to believe in the teachings of the Church however, after I was Confirmed my mother encouraged me to attend other services with my neighborhood friend's. I never felt unwelcome at any church I visited. Don't not go just because you feel uncomfortable.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
That may well have been the case. However, currently, a member of the Cathedral staff - not one of the celebrants or the chief celebrant - takes the microphone just before the distribution of the hosts starts and announces that it is for Catholics in good standing only. I've watched a number of live broadcasts of pilgrim masses at the Cathedral this year and I've heard this phrase so often that I know it by heart. Happy to check again today in three hour's time at 19:30 Santiago local time.At one pilgrim Mass I attended in the Cathedral at Santiago, the chief celebrant,in both Spanish and English, invited any " who are a baptised Christian and who love the Lord" to come forward and receive the Sacrament.
I was quite surprised, but joyfully accepted the invitation.
I'm a divorced Catholic and I won't take the Sacrament at Mass. I've never been to a Catholic Church that encourages non-catholics to receive Communion.At one pilgrim Mass I attended in the Cathedral at Santiago, the chief celebrant,in both Spanish and English, invited any " who are a baptised Christian and who love the Lord" to come forward and receive the Sacrament.
I was quite surprised, but joyfully accepted the invitation.
Maybe my experiences in a church may help you. I am a non practicing Jew but I consider myself 100% Jewish even though I am not a fan of organized religion. (kind of long and complicated reason which I will not get into). I grew up in New York at a time when virtually everyone was Jewish or Catholic, except a large number of Baptist African Americans, at least the guys I went to school with. I have been to and been in some wedding parties of close Catholic friends. In the past and now doing caminos especially when I go to the Pilgrim Mass, this is what I do. I sit quietly during mass, and when I was in a wedding party stood quietly of course. When the congregation stands, I stand. When the congregation kneels I sit quietly, I say no prayers at all. I do not even say Amen. Of course I do not participate in any of the ceremonies, like getting the wafer and wine from the priest. On camino I try to at least wear the cleanest clothes I can. I am respectful but do not feel a part of the service, just an observer. Even in Santiago where the cathedral itself has great meaning for me. It is not religious, it is spiritual and connects me to my past, present and future caminos.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
You might really appreciate the chapel service for pilgrims at the Pilgrim Office in Santiago. There they provide a print-out card so that you can follow along and join in the communal replies that make up the process of coming into "communion" with your fellows (even if you cannot take part in the communion with the host).Curiosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.
It was a confusing time. I guess I would like to experience other how other people experience faith? I’m still unsure if I’m honest.
Attending as often as I can might also be a little ambitious. Experience at least once during my Camino might be more realistic.
If it’s not ok, please tell me it’s not ok. I don’t want to do anything that is not appropriate. But if you don’t know, you don’t know. And the only way I will know is to see and try.
Not if it's anything close to 40°C it doesn't !!Does the advice to "cover your shoulders" actually reflect the reality in Spain?
HelloCuriosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.
It was a confusing time. I guess I would like to experience other how other people experience faith? I’m still unsure if I’m honest.
Attending as often as I can might also be a little ambitious. Experience at least once during my Camino might be more realistic.
If it’s not ok, please tell me it’s not ok. I don’t want to do anything that is not appropriate. But if you don’t know, you don’t know. And the only way I will know is to see and try.
I walked the Camino Primitivo in July and attended the Spanish Pilgrim mass in Lugo, the early morning one in Santiago at the Cathedral and the English speaking mass in the Chapel in the Pilgrim Office. In my experience, there was a lot of tolerance. I think everyone understands that you are travelling light or might have attended at the last minute straight from your walking day. Especially when it's hot too. When I was unsure I sat quietly at the back with a fleece wrapped over my shoulder for modesty.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
There is a very old indult on the Camino de Santiago for foot pilgrims and other pilgrims on a longer Camino, when Christian but non-Catholic, that when prevented from partaking in Communion according to their own religion and rites, they may by exception, and conditionally with the acceptance of the celebrant, take Communion.At one pilgrim Mass I attended in the Cathedral at Santiago, the chief celebrant,in both Spanish and English, invited any " who are a baptised Christian and who love the Lord" to come forward and receive the Sacrament.
I was quite surprised, but joyfully accepted the invitation.
I hesitated to respond and I don’t think this may be attributed to a language barrier.
This is in my opinion is mysoginistic. Women are not temptresses for men. The old “Eve made me do it”. For each person’s sake be responsible for your own thoughts and actio.I hesitated to respond and I don’t think this may be attributed to a language barrier.
This is in my opinion is mysoginistic. Women are not temptresses for men. The old “Eve made me do it”. For each person’s sake be responsible for your own thoughts and actions.
Well done to you and TravellingMan2022
for calling out the mysoginistic post of Pafayac.As a woman I found his remarks offensive and unacceptable .
This.leave your camera in your pocket.
You don't really need to explain to anyone why you choose or don't choose to attend a church service. It's between you and your maker. Please don't be put off by anyone policing your decisions. I'm planning on bringing a shawl or two to drape my shoulders and act as a skirt. Go and enjoy.Curiosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.
It was a confusing time. I guess I would like to experience other how other people experience faith? I’m still unsure if I’m honest.
Attending as often as I can might also be a little ambitious. Experience at least once during my Camino might be more realistic.
If it’s not ok, please tell me it’s not ok. I don’t want to do anything that is not appropriate. But if you don’t know, you don’t know. And the only way I will know is to see and try.
Now the Anglican Catholic does allow a Baptized parishioners in good standing to receive Communion, but they look at the host and wine much differently than Roman Catholics.I'm a divorced Catholic and I won't take the Sacrament at Mass. I've never been to a Catholic Church that encourages non-catholics to receive Communion.
This, exactly this. Thank you for sharingI'm not a Catholic or even religious but there is just something intangible that seems to flow at these ceremonies.
I thought his question about why was a little out of line. You have absolutely no duty to answer why. Mass can be very comforting and spiritual for many and there is no obligation to be a card-carrying member to attend. Taking comunión is a different story; not meant for non-Catholics until they become members. Dress conservatively, leave the backpack behind if possible and if not, people will understand. I hope you have a lovely time in Spain and I hope you find what you are looking for by attending mass. Buen Camino.Curiosity? I went to a CofE primary school, sang hymns. At home I had to light joss sticks and honour my ancestors on certain dates throughout the year.
It was a confusing time. I guess I would like to experience other how other people experience faith? I’m still unsure if I’m honest.
Attending as often as I can might also be a little ambitious. Experience at least once during my Camino might be more realistic.
If it’s not ok, please tell me it’s not ok. I don’t want to do anything that is not appropriate. But if you don’t know, you don’t know. And the only way I will know is to see and try.
Haha. Tincatinker , this reply reminds me of questions and answers when I was a child. Ficklefancyfree asked a perfectly respectful question, and O NO - the answer is not just the answer. It is unnecessarily fabricated by inflexible, intrusive, imposing and unnecessary personal questions .You are not a practicing Christian yet you wish to attend Mass. Any particular reason?
Convention holds that you should be modestly dressed. No one will expect a pilgrim to carry a special outfit but do endeavor to keep exposed flesh to a reasonable minimum.
Why not make contact with your local Catholic church and discuss your interest with the priest
Haha. Tincatinker , this reply reminds me of questions and answers when I was a child. Ficklefancyfree asked a perfectly respectful question, and O NO - the answer is not just the answer. It is unnecessarily fabricated by inflexible, intrusive, imposing and unnecessary personal questions .
it is glorious to attend Spanish Mass whilst on El Camino. Mainly cover bare skin, shoulders etc, and legs. Ocasionally respectful to wear a scarf over your head, but not essential.
Have a great time and Buen Camino.X
Churches can be some of the most peaceful places on earth. Even if you don't know the ritual or understand the language, let yourself sink into the peaceful sanctuary of church. You might find God. You might find yourself. Or maybe you will find a peaceful respite. It's all good. Oh, and I used to joke that I could tell who the pilgrims were in church by their footwear. I wore wore flip flops. Sometimes with toe socks. God loves us all despite poor footwear choices..Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
Could your quiet presence possibly hinder someone else? Really, there is no problem.2) I don’t want to take away from others. I’m a ‘tourist’ for lack of better word. My presence should not affect anyone who has a deeper purpose to be there. Religion can be very deep and personal to some, I have spoken to many friends because the notion of faith does fascinate me. But my curiosity should not negatively affect anyone who is there to worship.
Relax and enjoy the use of the space for the purpose for which it was designed.
As a fellow Jew, I'll be travelling the Camino for the first time next month, I plan on doing much as you've described: An occasional stop in, to experience, observe, honor the practices of others, but not try to make them my own. Just as I would if I were invited to have Christmas or Easter dinner with others. Having said that, I'll be on Camino on Rosh Hashana (likely in Burgos), and have thought about buying apples and honey to share with others at my albergue that night.Maybe my experiences in a church may help you. I am a non practicing Jew but I consider myself 100% Jewish even though I am not a fan of organized religion. (kind of long and complicated reason which I will not get into). I grew up in New York at a time when virtually everyone was Jewish or Catholic, except a large number of Baptist African Americans, at least the guys I went to school with. I have been to and been even been in some wedding parties of close Catholic friends. In the past and now doing caminos especially when I go to the Pilgrim Mass, this is what I do. I sit quietly during mass, and when I was in a wedding party stood quietly of course. When the congregation stands, I stand. When the congregation kneels I sit quietly, I say no prayers at all. I do not even say Amen. Of course I do not participate in any of the ceremonies, like getting the wafer and wine from the priest. On camino I try to at least wear the cleanest clothes I can. I am respectful but do not feel a part of the service, just an observer. Even in Santiago where the cathedral itself has great meaning for me. It is not religious, it is spiritual and connects me to my past, present and future caminos.
Just out of curiosity since this suggestion has been made repeatedly for pilgrims who are not at all familiar with the ins and outs of Holy Communion at a Catholic mass. I know that folding your arms in the manner described to request merely a blessing and not the host has become a practice in a number of countries in recent years. I understand that it makes sense in certain situations: If you are the non-Catholic or non-practising partner in a couple, or in a family, then you will not be totally left out when your partner or family members get up to receive and you are in your home parish but is this even common in Spain and especially for single pilgrims walking on Camino?You could come forward for a blessing - cross your arms (palms) to opposite shoulders is normally an accepted sign of requesting a blessing
I agree with you. If anyone wants to check out the situation, I suppose a question to the Pilgrim Companions in the Pilgrim office would supply an answer.Just out of curiosity since this suggestion has been made repeatedly for pilgrims who are not at all familiar with the ins and outs of Holy Communion at a Catholic mass. I know that folding your arms in the manner described to request merely a blessing and not the host has become a practice in a number of countries in recent years. I understand that it makes sense in certain situations: If you are the non-Catholic or non-practising partner in a couple, or in a family, then you will not be totally left out when your partner or family members get up to receive and you are in your home parish but is this even common in Spain and especially for single pilgrims walking on Camino?
As I mentioned, this year I've watched the live broadcast of the pilgrim mass at the Cathedral of Santiago numerous times and I've not seen a single person doing this. I just wonder. One can try, of course, but I myself would not give this advice for the misa del peregrino at the Cathedral for example.
I've only seen this at family events like baptisms where some family members or friends are non-Catholics.Just out of curiosity since this suggestion has been made repeatedly for pilgrims who are not at all familiar with the ins and outs of Holy Communion at a Catholic mass. I know that folding your arms in the manner described to request merely a blessing and not the host has become a practice in a number of countries in recent years. I understand that it makes sense in certain situations: If you are the non-Catholic or non-practising partner in a couple, or in a family, then you will not be totally left out when your partner or family members get up to receive and you are in your home parish but is this even common in Spain and especially for single pilgrims walking on Camino?
As I mentioned, this year I've watched the live broadcast of the pilgrim mass at the Cathedral of Santiago numerous times and I've not seen a single person doing this. I just wonder. One can try, of course, but I myself would not give this advice for the misa del peregrino at the Cathedral for example.
Or when the priest asks for pilgrims to come up for a blessing someone may prod you to go.And (quite honestly) no one will likely even pay any attention to you sitting there, except perhaps to ask if an empty seat next to you is taken or not.
You should be fine with your evening attire - something to cover your shoulders (modest presentation). I would not over think this. The fact you have a curiosity/desire to experience all that your Camino will bring is all you need - being open to whatever will be.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
Maybe there might be a service you could attend if you are taking a rest day there. It might be fun to experience.As a fellow Jew, I'll be travelling the Camino for the first time next month, I plan on doing much as you've described: An occasional stop in, to experience, observe, honor the practices of others, but not try to make them my own. Just as I would if I were invited to have Christmas or Easter dinner with others. Having said that, I'll be on Camino on Rosh Hashana (likely in Burgos), and have thought about buying apples and honey to share with others at my albergue that night.
As a fellow Jew, I'll be travelling the Camino for the first time next month, I plan on doing much as you've described: An occasional stop in, to experience, observe, honor the practices of others, but not try to make them my own. Just as I would if I were invited to have Christmas or Easter dinner with others. Having said that, I'll be on Camino on Rosh Hashana (likely in Burgos), and have thought about buying apples and honey to share with others at my albergue that night.
I found that my Spanish improved a lot by working out the translations for the parts of the Mass that I knew by heart. And by the end, I could say the Rosary and the Lord's Prayer in Spanish.I know enough Spanish to get by with some short easy chats. During masses I would try to keep up but when it got to be too much I would quit trying for a while and pretend I was attending a Latin mass.
Excellent point and question K.Just out of curiosity since this suggestion has been made repeatedly for pilgrims who are not at all familiar with the ins and outs of Holy Communion at a Catholic mass. I know that folding your arms in the manner described to request merely a blessing and not the host has become a practice in a number of countries in recent years. I understand that it makes sense in certain situations: If you are the non-Catholic or non-practising partner in a couple, or in a family, then you will not be totally left out when your partner or family members get up to receive and you are in your home parish but is this even common in Spain and especially for single pilgrims walking on Camino?
As I mentioned, this year I've watched the live broadcast of the pilgrim mass at the Cathedral of Santiago numerous times and I've not seen a single person doing this. I just wonder. One can try, of course, but I myself would not give this advice for the misa del peregrino at the Cathedral for example.
You have just improved my training walks without even knowing it.I found that my Spanish improved a lot by working out the translations for the parts of the Mass that I knew by heart. And by the end, I could say the Rosary and the Lord's Prayer in Spanish.
Excellent point and question K.
This is a well-meaning but non-liturgical practice which started in America but I don't know how widespread it is around the world.
I've been to mass in Spain many times but never on the Camino (our first one is upcoming) and have never thought of watching to see if there is this sort of blessing in my previous travels around Spain.
It is up to the priest to do these sorts of things and oftentimes fellow priests in a parish will be of one thought about it-- yea or nay. A lot depends on the specific church you are walking into, and I'd wonder if it is a practice in small towns along the Camino.
Those with direct experience with this on the Camino--please answer this question because we don't want our friend to be embarrassed.
I've been to masses in the U.S. where the priest is a little flustered by someone walking up and expecting this. Please understand that the reason for his frustration is that this is not a liturgical practice. Some priests don't like it while some are very happy to do it.
Please note to those who go to mass expecting this blessing: *Be very clear that you are not in line for communion but rather for this blessing.* You can be very clear by crossing your arms on your chest BEFORE you stand in front of the priest. You want the priest to see you in this position asap because otherwise he will instead be preparing to offer you communion which means he will have to change what he is doing with his hands.
Perhaps it is a good idea to be a little early at any mass you are considering doing this in order to ask if it an accepted practice at that particular church.
I grew up Catholic but haven’t practiced for about 30 years. But I’ve been to some Catholic weddings a funerals and a couple special occasion services. In Canada they welcome everyone into the church and encourage everyone to pray, song and listen to the messages. There is value for everyone. As for the Eucharist, only Catholics who have received their first communion and have recently been to Confession can receive it. But at the services I’ve attended, those that weren’t going to receive the Eucharist are encouraged to go up in the line and when in front of the priest cross their arms in an x across their chest and would receive a blessing from the priest. Who couldn’t benefit blessings?? And even if you are not catholic, I think these churches are places for everyone to rest, think and pray. The feelings in these spaces can be powerful.Easier said than done!
Been wanting to do it for a long while, probably longer than I realise. It peaks when I’m abroad and visiting wonderful churches and fascinated at what this means for people and to people.
I think speaking to someone in the uk means I need to believe. I want to be a fly in the wall. My heart rate is elevated right now, no idea why!
Anyway, I might pop in, I might not. Religion plural terrifies me as I just don’t know enough to know.
Basically I really would like to participate but I don’t want to offend anyone. That’s probably why I have never done it, spoken to anyone
Or attended a service here. I just have a lot of whys, and after a while it can come across as obtuse or offensive unless you are incredibly patient. I don’t feel it’s my place to walk in. I’m curious, others believe. I want to satisfy my intellect, other are trying to connect deeper to God. Am I making sense? 30 years later and still as confused as I was as a child.
Oh and by participate I mean to be a part of, sit and experience one percent of what the others do.
I've only seen this at family events like baptisms where some family members or friends are non-Catholics.
I love going to mass on the camino, I go mass, vespers, and/or a blessing when I can. (Just call me a happy Catholic.) Not only do I love the mass, but I also go into churches when I can to look at the centuries of art and think of all those who made this building their beautiful communal and holy place. There are stories behind the saints-- which I find fascinating. And I light a candle when there is the opportunity. (You can do this too- it's easy. pm me if you want more info.) You can often go into a church when there is no mass going on.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
If you are the non-Catholic or non-practising partner in a couple, or in a family, then you will not be totally left out when your partner or family members get up to receive and you are in your home parish but is this even common in Spain and especially for single pilgrims walking on Camino?
As I mentioned, this year I've watched the live broadcast of the pilgrim mass at the Cathedral of Santiago numerous times and I've not seen a single person doing this. I just wonder. One can try, of course, but I myself would not give this advice for the misa del peregrino at the Cathedral for example.
I would not advise flip flops, and would recommend modest dress, but no need to fret too much. While your are certainly welcome to attend services and I in fact highly recommend it, you should NOT receive the Eucharist during the reception of communion as this is only rightly received by Catholics who are properly disposed to receive it.Hello everyone,
I was hoping for a little advice. I would like to visit and attend mass as often as I can along my Camino. I’m not Catholic or even Christian. I understand that I should dress appropriately and plan on bringing a full length jumpsuit, with a shawl to cover my shoulders. If it fits in my pack, I’ll even bring a light cardigan.
Is it ok to be wearing flip flops? It’s either that or my dusty walking shoes. What does everyone else do?
Also, other than be respectful, anything I should be aware of during mass?
Thanks
Fi
Please excuse us! Goodness, @MinaKamina - there's no need to scold anyone here. No-one was whining or otherwise demanding anything that is not being offered, but merely wanting to know (or explaining) how best to be respectful. It's no wonder that people are concerned about not causing offense as it seems it is easily aroused.Mass is a religious ceremony and not at therapy group. Catholic churches are very welcoming yet there are rules. (There are rules everywhere in the world.) If anyone feels left out because they cannot join others for the holy communion, well that is as it is, and one should either practice resilience or convert.
Don't join the line, don't cross your arms, because the priest is not handing out blessings at that moment. This is specific ritual and not a drop-down menu with options to choose from.
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