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The proper way 'to go'

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Camino Frances (2013)
#1
This image has been posted recently on the forum, and some persons - myself included - have made light of it. However, I'm being serious here.

Aside from the drawing (which is what was made light of) the words above the drawing say, "Here, it is like this." I'm struggling with how to put this delicately, but in Europe is sitting on the toilet the proper way for a man to go when he needs to do number 1? Is this what mothers teach their little boys? I think if this is so then, as visitors to Europe, (not I personally, being a female) we need to be aware of this.

I say this because where I live one sees from time to time, signs in women's bathrooms advising women to sit on the toilet seat, and not stand on it and then squat to do one's business, the latter being the accepted way in some parts of the world, but not in North America.

It seems to me that the arguments can go all over the place, but my take is that it's a matter of just trying to keep the bathroom clean. A woman squatting down on a toilet seat - as opposed to sitting - can make an awful mess, the same as a man standing up to go, especially if he is not careful with his aim.

The world is a small place and I think we need to be aware of different cultural habits and to respect them. My question still stands: Do mothers in Europe teach their little boys to sit to go number one [sorry, I just can't use the other word] and not stand 'like Daddy' as we do here?
 

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stgcph

Camino tortuga
Camino(s) past & future
CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
#3
Your question is relevant. But first of all you have to understand, that Europe is not a culturally unified entity, it consists of 28 countries/states with very different cultural habits. I can answer for my own country only (Denmark) and here we are generally not taught to sit down when doing 'number 1'
 

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stgcph

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CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
#7
As a digressio I can add, that in the 1960ties when the women’s rights movement peaked around here, some men adopted the ‘sitting-down behavior’ in a sort of demonstration of solidarity with the movement (and, of course, they were very ‘open’ about it) but it wasn’t a phenomenon that stood the test of time :D
 

stgcph

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CF (Aug/Sep 2017)
#8
I remember the first time I went to Italy (Europe) many years ago and had to use the toilet in a (quite good) restaurant. I remember standing there in the half-darkness wondering what to do as there was no toilet, only a hole in the floor!
 
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#10
Germany and Sweden! That really surprises me -I hope some of our friends from those countries will chime in...
http://www.allwelike.com/2012/06/sw...ake-urinating-while-standing-illegal-for-men/

Never heard of it being common in Germany or France but you read about such demands from time to time, mainly by women who are usually the ones who have to clean the toilet - or, more likely, are annoyed because the lid thing is still up after use. The image is apparently taken from Sörmland.
 
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Camino Frances (2013)
#15
I think that @Kathar1na has come up with the most plausible explanation - that these signs are put up mainly by women who clean the bathrooms. Perhaps they would do better with signs suggesting that men aim for the downward slope of the toilet bowl, to decrease the velocity and eventual backsplash. Sorry, perhaps this is TMI. :oops:
 

Purky

The Dutch guy
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#19
The manager of the cleaning department at Schiphol Airport had a great idea in the early 1990s. Thanks to the man who liked the idea (and was in charge of terminal extensions and renovations), the management decided to give the idea a chance. Thus the urinal fly was born: the image of a fly in all urinals, just above the drain and a bit to the left. After a lot of juggling with numbers, the claim is made that this saves up to 8% of the total budget for cleaning the public toilets at the airport.

The idea wasn't new though. According to the owner and manager of Thomas Crapper & Co (nomen est omen...), which manufactures period sanitary ware, The Victorians used pictures of bees as aiming spots in their urinals. "The bee was put on as an unusually vulgar Victorian joke. The Latin for bee is apis. Victorian gentlemen would have been schooled in Latin and would have got this joke, which would be lost on us now."

Lavatory humour, it never gets old.
 
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#24
Germany and Sweden! That really surprises me -I hope some of our friends from those countries will chime in...
If you read German, google Sitzpinkler and Stefan Hank - you will find a number of hilarious articles in reputed newspapers about a 2015 court case where the judge did not hide his sense of humour in the sentence. BBC News has a summary: German court rules that men can urinate while standing

And here we have (in English) the complete German Toilet Rules including an infographic on How to use the brush: http://saubere-toilette.de/infographic-german-toilet-rules/

@Icacos: You did ask ... :cool:
 

KinkyOne

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#25
...Thus the urinal fly was born: the image of a fly in all urinals, just above the drain and a bit to the left. ...
Few years ago in the time of (don't really remember) European or World Football (soccer) Championship a small private firm was selling small soccer goals with footballs on a string and they put them in urinals in the bars with TV, just above the drain. I must admit it was fun targeting those footballs with all the beer we drank ;)
 
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Marbe2

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#26
I think that @Kathar1na has come up with the most plausible explanation - that these signs are put up mainly by women who clean the bathrooms. Perhaps they would do better with signs suggesting that men aim for the downward slope of the toilet bowl, to decrease the velocity and eventual backsplash. Sorry, perhaps this is TMI. :oops:
This is for squatting purposes: Please be sweet and wipe the seat.

How about, If you should sprinkle while you tinkle please be neat and clean the seat! I believe that is the pet peeve of women!
 
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Camino Frances (2013)
#27
The manager of the cleaning department at Schiphol Airport had a great idea in the early 1990s. Thanks to the man who liked the idea (and was in charge of terminal extensions and renovations), the management decided to give the idea a chance. Thus the urinal fly was born: the image of a fly in all urinals, just above the drain and a bit to the left. After a lot of juggling with numbers, the claim is made that this saves up to 8% of the total budget for cleaning the public toilets at the airport.

The idea wasn't new though. According to the owner and manager of Thomas Crapper & Co (nomen est omen...), which manufactures period sanitary ware, The Victorians used pictures of bees as aiming spots in their urinals. "The bee was put on as an unusually vulgar Victorian joke. The Latin for bee is apis. Victorian gentlemen would have been schooled in Latin and would have got this joke, which would be lost on us now."

Lavatory humour, it never gets old.
Apis - I finally got it, and I didn’t even have to do the research. My mind doesn’t naturally stray to those low levels, my being so couth and all. ;);)
 
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#32

JillGat

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#40
As a digressio I can add, that in the 1960ties when the women’s rights movement peaked around here, some men adopted the ‘sitting-down behavior’ in a sort of demonstration of solidarity with the movement (and, of course, they were very ‘open’ about it) but it wasn’t a phenomenon that stood the test of time :D
That's officially the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. (Also, I think there are a few other ways to more effectively show solidarity...)
 
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#41
That's officially the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. (Also, I think there are a few other ways to more effectively show solidarity...)
@stgcph wasn't arguing a case, he was trying to describe social views/developments in parts of modern society and they are still present and to the point, not only for Denmark but also for Germany. In these and other countries, a "peeing while sitting down" culture for men has developed during the last decades. Heated discussions about plus and minusses of this practice are conducted and the arguments are partly feminist, partly health centered. (Not my words, I summed up an article I read just now). Because it's apparently such a fascinating subject - witness this thread - it gets a lot more attention than it deserves. :cool:
 
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#42
So now I'm totally confused. Perhaps you guys should just go whichever way works for you.
It's not only the guys that are confused. I think it was at Brussels airport that I went to the ladies' toilet, opened the door to the first stall and was confronted with a urinal. I was totally puzzled, closed the door again - and have avoided these things ever since - and went to the next stall. At the time, I had NO clue how to use the thing. I know now, at least in theory. :cool:

I had travelled in France and North Africa and I had also been on trekkings, so different "ways to go" were not unfamiliar to me at the time. :cool:
 

Paladina

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#45
Thanks for the enlightening debate. I’d like to pose a supplementary question: what, other than one’s own excreta, may one flush down a Spanish toilet? In Ireland, toilet paper goes in the toilet, sanitary towels etc. in the closed bin, hand towels in the open bin or waste paper basket. Spanish disposal customs seem to vary by province and/or plumbing capability. The lack of clarity in the instructions for waste disposal in one albergue on the VdlP read: PROHIBIDO TIRAR BASURA. Por favor no arrojen cosas al vater, accompanied by the distinctly unhelpful English translation: please do not throw things at water. The non-Spanish-speaking gentleman who used the facilities before me might thus be excused his literal interpretation of the sanitary rules, but he left behind him a malodorous bathroom and an offensive mess for someone else to dispose of.
 

ricrog

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#48
I decided to demonstrate solidarity with the 'wimmin's' rights movement by having a movement of my own, however the solidarity was sadly lacking!
 

JillGat

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#52
I decided to demonstrate solidarity with the 'wimmin's' rights movement by having a movement of my own, however the solidarity was sadly lacking!
one of the feminist Fun Runs?
 
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#54
I am German and I taught my two sons (and my non-German husband ;)) to urinate sitting down on the toilet at home where we know the seat is always clean, but to urinate standing in public toilets. Same with me: sitting down at home, squatting in public toilets.
 
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#55
I do not want to minimalise some people's feelings at all but I really feel that we can count ourselves lucky to live in houses that have a toilet to begin with.And running water to flush.
Also I strongly believe , and science backs this, that we become more ill because our standards of hygiehe have never been better.
 

Stivandrer

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#56
In my schooldays I remember the fly in the urinal bowl.
- when they were changed to a brand called Shanks, I duly changed it with a marker to Thanks...
 
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#57
The manager of the cleaning department at Schiphol Airport had a great idea in the early 1990s. Thanks to the man who liked the idea (and was in charge of terminal extensions and renovations), the management decided to give the idea a chance. Thus the urinal fly was born: the image of a fly in all urinals, just above the drain and a bit to the left. After a lot of juggling with numbers, the claim is made that this saves up to 8% of the total budget for cleaning the public toilets at the airport.

The idea wasn't new though. According to the owner and manager of Thomas Crapper & Co (nomen est omen...), which manufactures period sanitary ware, The Victorians used pictures of bees as aiming spots in their urinals. "The bee was put on as an unusually vulgar Victorian joke. The Latin for bee is apis. Victorian gentlemen would have been schooled in Latin and would have got this joke, which would be lost on us now."

Lavatory humour, it never gets old.
This reminds me of a sign I saw in a men's lavatory somewhere: "We aim to keep this place clean -- your aim will help." There ought to be a world-wide law that this sign should be posted in all men's (and in unisex) lavatories/loos/restrooms/water closets/servicios and whatever they're called in other countries.

Edit: For those for whom English is a second language, in American colloquial speech the term "We aim to..." means the same as "Our goal is to..." or "Our intent is to...".
 
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Marbe2

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#58
Then there's this that I just came across. So now I'm totally confused. Perhaps you guys should just go whichever way works for you. Just make sure you've removed all evidence when you've finished....and put the seat and lid back down. :)


Now that is a good survey for the entire EU. All men should become sitzpinkler(n)! Imagine how much drier, if not cleaner the toilets would be on the planes and trains and bathrooms. :eek:
 
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#63
With a husband and six boys in the family, the bathroom could have turned into disaster. I trained my boys (but not my husband) to “go” sitting down. Now, at least once or twice a year my daughter-in-law thanks me that her husband sits. Her two boys sit also! (The hand that rocks the cradle......)
 
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#64
And how would that be, in theory?
In the interest of the international forum community, I might test sit on / test stand over / test hover over that particular model next time I go through Brussels airport. At the time, I thought I had to approach it like men do, facing it, but it's apparently the other way round. :cool:

While I was looking for a photo or instructions on the internet, without success, I learnt that Brussels airport was going to install waterless urinals some time ago - they are following the example of other airports around the globe, they say.
 
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Thundrla

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#65
In Germany that issue is sometimes discussed, but it depends on the parents whether they teach that their children or not. But there are labels being sold about that matter, for instance this one ;):


Bwahahah !!!
 
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Camino Frances (2013)
#66
In the interest of the international forum community, I might test sit on / test stand over / test hover over that particular model next time I go through Brussels airport. At the time, I thought I had to approach it like men do, facing it, but it's apparently the other way round. :cool:

While I was looking for a photo or instructions on the internet, without success, I learnt that Brussels airport was going to install waterless urinals some time ago - they are following the example of other airports around the globe, they say.
I hesitate to say this, in the interest of decorum, but I suggest you test it standing up. Going back to my early childhood, I recall my brother and boy cousins (probably between six and eight) deciding to have a contest to see who could 'go' the furthest - the staging ground was going to be a rock outcrop with the sea about fifteen feet below. One of my girl cousins (probably around eleven) decided to join in. She won the contest by a long shot. Er, no pun intended. :cool:
 

Jeff Crawley

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Contemplating yet another "final" camino
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#70
The manager of the cleaning department at Schiphol Airport had a great idea in the early 1990s. Thanks to the man who liked the idea (and was in charge of terminal extensions and renovations), the management decided to give the idea a chance. Thus the urinal fly was born: the image of a fly in all urinals, just above the drain and a bit to the left. After a lot of juggling with numbers, the claim is made that this saves up to 8% of the total budget for cleaning the public toilets at the airport.

The idea wasn't new though. According to the owner and manager of Thomas Crapper & Co (nomen est omen...), which manufactures period sanitary ware, The Victorians used pictures of bees as aiming spots in their urinals. "The bee was put on as an unusually vulgar Victorian joke. The Latin for bee is apis. Victorian gentlemen would have been schooled in Latin and would have got this joke, which would be lost on us now."

Lavatory humour, it never gets old.
As the old Latin tag goes ITI SAPIS SPOTANDA BIGONE
 

Jeff Crawley

Veteran Member
Camino(s) past & future
Contemplating yet another "final" camino
Porto to SdC May 2019
#72
It's not only the guys that are confused. I think it was at Brussels airport that I went to the ladies' toilet, opened the door to the first stall and was confronted with a urinal. I was totally puzzled, closed the door again - and have avoided these things ever since - and went to the next stall. At the time, I had NO clue how to use the thing. I know now, at least in theory. :cool:

I had travelled in France and North Africa and I had also been on trekkings, so different "ways to go" were not unfamiliar to me at the time. :cool:
Travelling south from Canada through Minnesota one winter a group of us stopped at a woodland "rest station" where the men's urinals were stainless steel funnels mounted on tubes let into the ground similar to US Army Pee Tubes.

Howls of laughter from our lady friends who had a similar device - think of a stainless steel bedpan reimagined by Edvard Munch ("The Scream"). The girls presumed that you were supposed to er straddle the device but, as one of them put it, if a bare thigh touched stainless steel at 0 degrees F you could be stuck against it until Spring thaw!
 

Jeff Crawley

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Contemplating yet another "final" camino
Porto to SdC May 2019
#74
@Icacos, it doesn't happen often that I read something on the internet that causes me to cover my eyes with my hand and giggle but can confirm that such a moment has been reached. {no suitable icon available}
Kathar1na - I think you are Danish no?
This might similarly raise a smile or eyebrow - broad mindedness is required! It was forwarded on to me by a (female) Canadian pilgrim with the comment that it gave a whole new meaning to penis envy!
Now you too can write your name in the snow!
 
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Camino Frances (2013)
#76
I've checked this out with two male family members. I was told that I'd have to go very far to find anyone who would be shocked at the thought of a man sitting down to conduct the business of number one (this is not what I asked them, but that's beside the point). And both men said they sit for nighttime bathroom visits, because they don't want to turn on the light.

I will say no more on this subject. :)
 



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