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Or just ignore those threads altogether.Maybe it's time to give up
Take a break. There’s no need to be categoric.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a high number compared to others. But I am considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Also - consider the ‘ignore’ function. I have an ignore list the size of the Mumbai telephone directory and I often recommend that other participants ignore me.Take a break. There’s no need to be categoric.
Despite the occasional frustration there is no more comprehensive, better informed and moderated forum on the general topic of ‘Camino’ than this.
Compared to pretty much any other forum in which I occasionally participate the general standard of civility here is exceptional.
In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
Go ahead. Do you still have credit on your subscription? Don't waste it, sneak in from time to time, but don't hit the send button! I have actually read all the replies above, and you will see there that a broad opinion - opinion - not scientific fact - concurs that this forum is very well moderated. I have been coming out from my own stepping back, slowly - but like another poster above, I have little to say that is useful currently, so am learning to mind my own business and let a lot of it fly past. I read one reply to someone recently: go for a walk. Great advice!After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
I know what you mean, up to a point. I sometimes wonder why people who have enough technical skills to use the forum do not use those same skills on Google to answer their questions with much greater accuracy and speed. I think the answer is that for many people, the forum is a space. It is a space where they can interact with, hopefully, like-minded people and where they can ask naïve, innocent questions without being ridiculed or shouted down. But I do find it frustrating sometimes. I don't know if you are of that generation (I suspect you may be) or whether you are a fan, but in situations like this I always find this helps:After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Aww schuccks. If you’re leaving, leave. It’s the internet, people are people.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
I recently asked , on this forum, how difficult was Camino del Norte. Someone replied, it was difficult. I was worried because I was planning my camino and wanted a clear understanding of what it was like. I asked for a definition of difficult. I did Le Puy in 2014. I just finish Camino del a Norte and it was DIFICILÍSIMO! A different kind of “difficult” . There is such a thing as “individual differences” not two individual see things the same way. You can’t control that.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
As in life as well as on the Camino we will meet know it all, self interested characters. A simple Buen Camino usually suffices then beat feet or slow down and let it all pass through. . Buen Camino!!!After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
I agree with HenrytheDog's comments. This is an extremely valuable forum --- I have learned so much from people, including yourself, who have posted on it. I think that in life in general, one finds people who fail to understand the question or who seemingly know it all. I would urge you to step back for a bit if you feel you must but not to exit altogether. Your contibutions to this Forum can continue to play a vluable role in properly educating pilgrims.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
This is a great point. When Ivar first started the forum, we were many fewer, and our range of camino experience was probably much less. We were all much more “in the same boat.” Members had either walked the Camino Francés and maybe the Norte or Portugués, or were interested in doing so. Now we’ve got people who have walked for years and years, who walk caminos where there are no pilgrims, and it’s inevitable that our perspectives are going to be much more wide-ranging. Added to that is the fact that the amenities level on the Francés has changed so much that the camino is now a possibility for many who would never have considered it before. So we’ve got many more people with a much greater diversity in interests, abilities, and experiences. So the forum has to change to reflect that.Some stay for a long time, others not as much. I think that is how forums ultimately stay healthy and relevent.
Robert, the reasons you give for leaving are exactly the reasons a person like you should stay.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Your observations echo my frustrations. However they are the same frustrations I have with any and all forums and chat threads I get involved in. For me, the Camino was a microcosm of the world we live in, presented to us in a geared down, time to think and consider format. There were Pilgrims who irritated me however in being in that amazing Camino state of mind I accepted that it was their Camino, that was their life. Not for me to bitch about nor waste energy fuming about. Nor attempt to have them change their character because it irritated me. And when I couldn't throttle back my irritation, the solution was to walk faster or slower, stop for a bocadillo or whatever pause that took me away from their irritation sphere. I feel the same with the keyboard warriors who type before thinking of the value or relevance of their comments. Can I handle a particular post and its comments? No? Well then at the first sign of steam coming out of my ears, time to move on to the next thread. Or if I'm in too much of a cranky mood, time to move out of the Forum and revisit the next one later. Or, if the frustration just wouldn't let go, I guess I would have to leave the Forum but I'm not there. If that's where you are Robert, makes sense to say adios. Its your Camino and not ours to comment nor judge.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Also - consider the ‘ignore’ function. I have an ignore list the size of the Mumbai telephone directory and I often recommend that other participants ignore me.
Click on a user name …Where is the "ignore" function? I have never noticed it! If I want to ignore, I simply do it....
Hover over a forum name until the details box appears. You will find it there.Where is the "ignore" function? I have never noticed it! If I want to ignore, I simply do it....
Click on a user name …
Mine probably shows as slightly worn given the number by whom I’m rightfully ignored.
Lovely. Thank you both!Hover over a forum name until the details box appears. You will find it there.
Have you considered simply turning around 180 degree to stay dry? It's not that hard.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
I LOVE this analogy and have bookmarked it for future reference. Thanks!It's a one room school house. Here the younger students are puzzling at how to open the plastic box of crayons their mother thoughtfully stuffed in their pack, or discern the purpose of that plastic "V" shaped thingie with a hinge and a sharp point on one side and a pencil on the other. Meanwhile, the seniors are working through the quantum mechanics-like puzzle of finding the ideal routing to Zaragoza considering a starting point in Cincinnati, coupled with the fiesta on that day and the threat of a strike by Renfe.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Humans are difficultyAfter almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Yeah, and how many times have we thought, "Why the heck don't you read the whole thread before you reply?!" or "What's with the silly off-topic post?"I know I sometimes feel like replying “ Use Google” FGS!
Sounds like you need another camino??? enjoy. and keep postingAfter almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
From David Foster Wallace’s 2005 commencement address, “This Is Water,” at Kenyon in 2005.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated …
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
In general people are more intelligent than we think. If there is some bad advice (in your or anyone else's opinion) there is far, far more good. We can separate the wheat from the chaff.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
In the context of the forum I do agree; the good far outnumbers the bad.In general people are far more intelligent than we think. If there is some bad advice (in your or anyone else's opinion) there is far, far more good. We can separate the wheat from the chaff.
That seems to be lost on some. I am also considering leaving.One thing to consider is the fact that people are sincerely trying to help when they offer opinions, give information without context, or go off on a tangent. I don’t think it’s done to intentionally mislead people, but our opinions are naturally based on the level of experience we have. And a real benefit of having members like you who have been around for a long time is that we can provide that context when it’s missing — either by linking to older threds, pointing out that a particular opinion may be too narrowly focused, or just adding our own opinions. But if that’s frustrating for you, I join the chorus that says — step back, take a break, or ignore the things that get to you.
I think it’s unreasonable to expect this forum to be a more perfect example of human behavior than what we find in our own “real life” worlds. But it’s a lot easier, and a lot less consequential, to just ignore the frustrating parts when they are written on a computer screen than when you are up close and personal with them, so I consider it good training.
I think that you've just given all the reasons why your presence is so valuable and why I'd like you to stay.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
We have a Motto !?This is a forum, people express opinions, if you are tired of giving answers then don't, let someone else do it. Have a look at our motto for some guidance.
Oh my !After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
I suspect it’ll be the Norwegian for ‘quantum ille canis est in fenestra’We have a Motto !?
(BTW I only discovered the forum rules after being here for a year or two).
Un perro pero muy guapoI suspect it’ll be the Norwegian for ‘quantum ille canis est in fenestra’
Your starter for ten points …
1. I disagree. Sometimes info needs to be patched together—ie 2 different people—one who came into Madrid and one who came into Paris.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
nil illegitimi carborundumI suspect it’ll be the Norwegian for ‘quantum ille canis est in fenestra’
Your starter for ten points …
Ubi praeteriti peregrini communicant et futuri peregrini discunt. Peregrinis adiuvandis ab MMIVYes, well, for the Latin scholars, how about you translate the real motto, published on the front page of the forum? "Where past pilgrims share and future pilgrims learn. Helping pilgrims since 2004".
Ubi praeteriti peregrini communicant et futuri peregrini discunt. Peregrinis adiuvandis ab MMIV
I suspect it’ll be the Norwegian for ‘quantum ille canis est in fenestra’
Your starter for ten points …
Trust me, Kanga. Don’t go there.And I am always learning. Had never heard of the Scunthorpe problem before. Down the Google rabbit hole again.
And with the digression into Latin, we come to the final phase of a forum thread.Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else.
CloseHaha I'm trying to learn some basic Norwegian right now and it's HARD...too hard for me. But maybe this stretched idiom fits, given that we're all at different stages in life and on the forum.
Man skal ikke skue hunden på hårene
Translation: You shouldn’t judge the dog on its hairs
Meaning: You shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
i think you need to go on a big long walk !After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Indeed. ITI SAPIS POTAND ATI NONE. God only knows what the OP thinks of all this. Half of me thinks enough already, time to close. The other half thinks no, let's let it run and see where it goes.Close
My offering was the skool motto for St Custards as any fule no. It loosely translates as ‘How much is that doggie in the window!’
If you’re not a slightly bookish 50+ British male that may be total gibberish.
Warning - Veering way off topic before the thread closes. @Kanga I very much like the red umbrella in your new avatar.Yes, well, for the Latin scholars, how about you translate the real motto, published on the front page of the forum? "Where past pilgrims share and future pilgrims learn. Helping pilgrims since 2004".
Please do not do give up because your comments are exactly the kind of commonsense and succinct view that persons undertaking their first Camino, or walking a route that they haven't done before, need! That said, and at the risk of confusing non English speakers, I agree that it is a case of having to sort the wheat from the chaff.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
Where past pilgrims share and future pilgrims learn. Helping pilgrims since 2004
I did Latin too (the examiners complained, as they did every year, that the student were memorising the translations) but I reckon I can still translate the last part .... MMIV. How is your carpentry these days?Well; it’s been a while but: pilgrim is peregrinus; so in the plural (lupus, lupi, lupo …) it’ll be peregrini.
Where is ‘ubi’ and communicate and discuss will be commuinicant and discunt or discant.
As to forming that into a sentence and filling in the many gaps; it’s been 44 years and I only did Latin because my dad wouldn’t let me do woodwork. I’m not sure why they were mutually exclusive options, but there you go.
I think you are right but at the end of the day it’s just a forum and like any other communications channels is mainly made up of nonsense. Like overhearing a conversation on a train or a bus, or in a pub!After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
As you mentioned yourself - it's time for you to give up....After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
In my defense - I’m very computer challenged - have been on this site for two years + Have asked and received info on HOW TO SEARCH and I still don’t know how to search threads. I barely can post a question. I’m completely lost (easily frustrated) and have little patience with electronics … or most anything. That said this forum was very valuable to me when I partially walked the Camino Frances (September 2022) and I’m so grateful it’s here.I have only walked one camino, the Frances, and flew into Paris. I would give advice about getting to SJPDP from Paris. What is wrong with that? I wouldn't report that journeying from Madrid or Barcelona is better. I also do have a bugbear though. People who ask a question before doing a search of the forum first. The same questions gets asked over and over. I probably did the same when I commenced researching the walk. These days, sometimes I respond and sometimes I don't.
It should be "Vbi praeteriti futurique peregrini inter sesum communicant. Ad peregrinis adiuvam addandum absque MMIV".Ubi praeteriti peregrini communicant et futuri peregrini discunt. Peregrinis adiuvandis ab MMIV
Isn't Google translate a wonderful thing? Though I suspect 'ab' is wrong.
Should I delete your account?That seems to be lost on some. I am also considering leaving.
Future pilgrims get a discountfuturi peregrini discunt.
Come and go. Spend as much time or as little as is required, to make you happy. It's pointless grinding yourself down, over and over again. You are one of many that can answer questions. Let someone else take up the slack.After almost a decade of receiving and giving information on this forum I am considering on leaving. I have not posted as much as some others, but I average 8 likes per post. That seems to be a very high number compared to most. But I am very much considering leaving. Why? I am frustrated. For example:
1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize. For example, today, someone posted that there is no language barrier on the Camino. But that quickly metastasized into something else. The original point was to let people know that the fear of not speaking Spanish should not stop you from walking the Camino. And yes, I understand, based upon extensive travels across Europe, that not everyone speaks English--especially in out of the way locations. But that was not the point of the post. It was about the non-existence of a language barrier on the Camino. Not a language barrier in the middle of nowhere.
Over time, I have chided people about these kinds of issues. But it seems that I am urinating into a stiff wind.
Maybe it's time to give up.
My home town from age of 9 & we were taught that the original name was Escum(f)Thorpe or village of the dark men.Probably best to keep it in English. Don't want the forum falling foul of the Scunthorpe problem.
Ubi praeteriti peregrini communicant et futuri peregrini discunt. Auxilio peregrinis cum 2004.Ubi praeteriti peregrini communicant et futuri peregrini discunt. Peregrinis adiuvandis ab MMIV
Isn't Google translate a wonderful thing? Though I suspect 'ab' is wrong.
I find it interesting when people feel the need to post on any board/forum regarding their desire to leave the board/forum and why. If you aren't happy on said board/forum... just leave.' @jeanineonthecaminoI find it interesting when people feel the need to post on any board/forum regarding their desire to leave the board/forum and why. If you aren't happy on said board/forum... just leave.
As for postings and replies - for the most part - people are simply trying to be helpful, in the way they know how to be helpful. As with everything - you won't like everything you read. Your opinion will differ often. You won't think everyone's replies are relevant. Not every reply will have context attached (in fact - most don't). All of this, in my opinion, is simply to be expected. If frustrated and/or it stresses you out - then yes - take a break or leave the board/form. No need to explain.
For the first, when someone only has experience of one, they can still provide valuable information about that one. Don't trust them on the comparison, of course, but the information they provide can help you make your own comparison. The more information I have, the better able I am to make the comparison myself. If the only person who has done both has very different perspectives and priorities than me, I'd rather that be supplemented by information by people whose priorities are closer to mine. I get to see more parts of the elephant, as it were.1. People with a lack of knowledge commenting. For example, when someone asks, "What's the best city to fly into? Paris or Madrid." People who have only flown into Madrid will post that "Madrid is the only way to go!' And people who have only flown into Paris will post "Paris is the only way to go!" In my opinion you should not be commenting unless you have flown into both Madrid and Paris.
2. People not giving context to their answers. A few years ago, someone asked if the climb out of SJPP was as difficult as some people were saying. A woman responded that she found it surprisingly easy. When I PM'd her, I found out that she started walking in Le Puy and was an aerobics instructor back home. Well, she should have found it easy under those circumstances.
3. People giving medical advice. I simply cringe when someone posts they have lower leg pain and want to know what to do about it. And people post all sorts of solutions without any medical background. That lower leg pain may not be shin splints, it may be a blood clot.
I found it amusingly ironic watching this very discussion metastasize into a discussion of the Latin translation of the Forum motto.Finally, it drives me nuts when discussions metastasize.
My first paragraph was just an observation of people (in general) deciding to leave a group/forum and announcing it to the world and telling the world why they are unhappy in the group/forum because of the way others respond to questions. I simply find that a strange practice of some - if you want to leave - just do it. No need to announce why and tell the readers you don't like the way some of them are answering questions.I find it interesting when people feel the need to post on any board/forum regarding their desire to leave the board/forum and why. If you aren't happy on said board/forum... just leave.' @jeanineonthecamino
This is to overlook that for some long serving members there is both an emotional as well as an informational (giving and receiving) attachment to this online gathering. I have read posts that gave support to pilgrims who found themselves bereft or in difficult situations while walking the Camino or unexpected medical diagnosis that put paid to a long-planned departure. Reading of member's life-threatening illnesses, notifications of deaths, requests for prayers for people we will never meet, expressions of gratitude and the candid exposure of fears and vulnerabilities, have all been part of my experience of the posts on this forum. There have also been a few shameless trolls, quickly dealt with by the moderators.
Some of us have made friends of forum members through the option of using PMs to communicate but have never met in person, so this often feels like a family (thank you to Ivar & the Mods) but as others here have written, sometimes family members fall out. I hope that Robert decides to take a break rather than leaving. I have enjoyed his posts for many years and am glad that he shared his thoughts about leaving rather than just disappearing, it seems a courteous thing to do, and his post indicates what a wrench it would be to leave after a decade of belonging.
When I decide, I will do it.Should I delete your account?
Why think in hierarchical terms such as "newbie" and, by implication, "experienced, seen and heard it all before"? Arent we all "Peregrinos" plain and simple - whether it is our first or tenth Camino? And aren't helpfulness, humility and tolerance desirable attributes in a pilgrim?Take a break and/or walk a Camino.
This reminds me a little of how annoying it can be sometimes between SJPP and towards Logroño to have to listen to all of the newbie talk about blisters and so on, frustrating & boring etc, except then I remind myself that I talked the same way back on my 1993, and we've all been there and done that.
In any case, if you do want to leave the forum, don't delete the account - - because if and when you change your mind and come back, you'll be happy to have it still there.
If needed, just change your settings to avoid getting emails.
This forum does not have a delete account option on the user end... Ivan would have to do it for you. At least - that is what I remember from researching the option to delete myself.When I decide, I will do it.
I have just come home from burying a friend - away all day, emotionally tired and back to this thread. And find this is still going on. And on. Have not read any more, but suggest closing this thread. Or I will use my recently acquired knowledge of how to use the ignore function. Good night! Buen camino! Bon courage! Whatever may apply to your case...Should I delete your account?
How interesting! When I used the quote function to populate this, there is some additional text here that doesn't appear in the posted item above, which I have italicized.Why think in hierarchical terms such as "newbie" and, by implication, "experienced, seen and heard it all before"? Arent we all "Peregrinos" plain and simple - whether it is our first or tenth Camino? And aren't helpfulness, humility and tolerance desirable attributes in a pilgrim?
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